Received the Vaccine today...

[fwafwow]

Which one was that?

Post #278

Received the Vaccine today...

Please tell us what you think all that means. This was my big take away - CDC said it, not me. You need me to walk you through what this means?? For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were...

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[NDGuy]

Post #278

Received the Vaccine today...

Please tell us what you think all that means. This was my big take away - CDC said it, not me. You need me to walk you through what this means?? For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were...

www.rokslide.com

Very deep, are we woke now?

 

[fwafwow]

Very deep, are we woke now?

Woke AF

 

[Billinsd]

I got my vaccine today, then booster in a month. Not bragging, or virtu signaling. I'll be happy to get the booster. If you don't want to take the vaccine, don't, you should not have to. Happy Friday!!

 

[eddielasvegas]

Anyone in this thread have an understanding (and willing to share?) why JNJ, PFE and Moderna were given legal immunity from all injuries relating to their vaccines?


Eddie

 

[Marbles]

Anyone in this thread have an understanding (and willing to share?) why JNJ, PFE and Moderna were given legal immunity from all injuries relating to their vaccines?


Eddie

Long standing (35 years) practice with all vaccines in the US to try and encouraging development. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was established in 1986.

Put another way, because Ronald Reagan.

 

[fwafwow]

Long standing (35 years) practice with all vaccines in the US to try and encouraging development. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was established in 1986.

Put another way, because Ronald Reagan.

Wow. I had no idea the conspiracy started so long ago.

TFPIC

 

[eddielasvegas]

Long standing (35 years) practice with all vaccines in the US to try and encouraging development. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was established in 1986.

Put another way, because Ronald Reagan.

Thanks Marbles. Never heard of this. Some searching revealed this:

The COVID-19 vaccination is covered under CICP, not VICP. Way too much double speak for me to read, especially since I'm not in a high risk group and healthy with zero plans to get the shot(s).


Eddie

P.S. If you want blatant conflict of interest, for a vaccine to be eligible for VICP, it has to be eligible for an excise tax. Things that make you hmmm....

 

[Fullfan]

Guess I’m not the norm, had the opportunity for one of the vaccines. No thanks will take my chances.

 

[Marbles]

Thanks Marbles. Never heard of this. Some searching revealed this:

The COVID-19 vaccination is covered under CICP, not VICP. Way too much double speak for me to read, especially since I'm not in a high risk group and healthy with zero plans to get the shot(s).


Eddie

P.S. If you want blatant conflict of interest, for a vaccine to be eligible for VICP, it has to be eligible for an excise tax. Things that make you hmmm....

Thanks, I did not realize it was under the CICP and made an assumption. Not quite as long standing (2005, 15 years). It still comes down to the fact that the US is tort happy, people need protection from those they help because of the expense of defending/settling unfounded suites, and the need and methode for that protection preceded the current situation.

Similar examples are Good Samaritan Laws.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act of 2005 was passed the same year as the PREP act to protect gun makers from frivolous lawsuit's intended to bankrupt them.

 

[MattB]

Thanks Marbles. Never heard of this. Some searching revealed this:

The COVID-19 vaccination is covered under CICP, not VICP. Way too much double speak for me to read, especially since I'm not in a high risk group and healthy with zero plans to get the shot(s).


Eddie

P.S. If you want blatant conflict of interest, for a vaccine to be eligible for VICP, it has to be eligible for an excise tax. Things that make you hmmm....

What if we want a blatant non-sequitur? Oh wait, we are good....

 

[JeffRaines]

I come from both camps, I think that if you’re healthy it probably won’t make too big of an impact. I also think, in the case of this vaccine, you should have the choice.

with that said, I think a lot of people think of themselves as healthy without really knowing if that’s the case or not. Look at how long you can have cancer before symptoms show up... or autoimmune diseases. There are people walking around who are diabetic and don’t know it. Happens every day.

Once the J&J vaccine is more available I’ll probably opt to get it. Not worth the risk otherwise - I’m pretty sure I’m healthy, but what if I’m not?

 

[MattB]

Anyone in this thread have an understanding (and willing to share?) why JNJ, PFE and Moderna were given legal immunity from all injuries relating to their vaccines?


Eddie

The statement in your question isn't quite true and the information is widely available for those willing to spend a couple of minutes to research it. The 2005 PREP act provides for the secretary of HHS to issue an order limiting liability to drug makers when doing so is, in essence, deemed to be for the greater societal good. The liability is taken on by the government in a sense, although the threshold for compensation from the fund is said to be high.

This act has been invoked in numerous instances in the past, so this is not unique to COVID vaccines. Funny how no one complained about it until recently.

Given how litigious our society is, without those sort of protections there may not be incentive for drug makers to pursue initiatives such as they did with the COVID vaccines.

 

[eddielasvegas]

The statement in your question isn't quite true and the information is widely available for those willing to spend a couple of minutes to research it. The 2005 PREP act provides for the secretary of HHS to issue an order limiting liability to drug makers when doing so is, in essence, deemed to be for the greater societal good. The liability is taken on by the government in a sense, although the threshold for compensation from the fund is said to be high.

This act has been invoked in numerous instances in the past, so this is not unique to COVID vaccines. Funny how no one complained about it until recently.

Given how litigious our society is, without those sort of protections there may not be incentive for drug makers to pursue initiatives such as they did with the COVID vaccines.

Thanks for your comments MattB. I have a couple of my own and they could be as wrong as any ever posted on the Interwebz.

1) Good luck to any John Q. Public fighting any large corporation, who has a team of attorneys whose sole existence for things like this. As almost hopeless as JQP case would be against said corp., I assure you it is far worse against the Feds. I do not get paid to be involved in a lawsuit, their legal teams do.

2) Prior to the last few months, I had no idea that all vaccines makers were offered some form of protection like you mentioned so this is valuable info. Thank you.

3) I have had the Flu shot (and Shingles vaccine since I am an old man) for many years running so I am not an anti-vaxxer. My problem with the Covid vaccine is that it was fast-tracked which can only mean corners were cut and thorough testing was not done. If the mortality rate was 10% or 20% or 30%, I'm all for fast-tracking to protect the masses. IMHO, it was not needed since the mortality rate was < 2%. Also, this virus seemed to hit certain groups of people very hard; those are the folks who should have stopped their world. The rest of us should have taken reasonable pre-cautions.

4) No one complained about it until recently because the world was not stopped and our civil liberties violated.

5) It sounds like you might have some connection to healthcare, so you might know know of iatrogenic deaths? Depending on the study, that number is between 50k-150k EVERY year.

6) I have zero confidence in the covid death count. It's about 500k now. A 108 year old woman died in Chicago. She was Covid positive so she was counted in the 500k.

As long as I do not have to get get the vaccine and you can if you'd like, then all is good.


Eddie


P.S. I just read some EU countries are suspending the Astra-Zeneca vaccine as there have been severe complications in some folks.

 

[dtrkyman]

They will weaponize it, can't go here or there unless you get it, wonder how many with of our elected officials have monetary connections to any of these companies?

My wife had multiple meetings with a company that she sub contracted with, they tried to force the Flu shot on her, and of course they came up with the don't you care for others BS. She argues with them and their team of lawyers over it and ultimately did not have to get it, pointed out the ineffective nature of the flu shot.

Now she just tells them it is against her religion and that is that.

High risk get the Vac. , I am not so I will not.

 

[Marbles]

Thanks for your comments MattB. I have a couple of my own and they could be as wrong as any ever posted on the Interwebz.

1) Good luck to any John Q. Public fighting any large corporation, who has a team of attorneys whose sole existence for things like this. As almost hopeless as JQP case would be against said corp., I assure you it is far worse against the Feds. I do not get paid to be involved in a lawsuit, their legal teams do.

2) Prior to the last few months, I had no idea that all vaccines makers were offered some form of protection like you mentioned so this is valuable info. Thank you.

3) I have had the Flu shot (and Shingles vaccine since I am an old man) for many years running so I am not an anti-vaxxer. My problem with the Covid is that it was fast-tracked which can only mean corners were cut and through testing was not done. If the mortality rate was 10% or 20% or 30%, I'm all for fast-tracking to protect the masses. IMHO, it was not needed since the mortality rate was < 2%. Also, this virus seemed to hit certain groups of people very hard; those are the folks who should have stopped their world. The rest of us should have taken reasonable pre-cautions.

4) No one complained about it until recently because the world was not stopped and our civil liberties violated.

5) It sounds like you might have some connection to healthcare, so you might know know of iatrogenic deaths? Depending on the study, that number is between 50k-150k EVERY year.

6) I have zero confidence in the covid death count. It's about 500k now. A 108 year old woman died in Chicago. She was Covid positive so she was counted in the 500k.

As long as I do not have to get get the vaccine and you can if you'd like, then all is good.


Eddie


P.S. I just read some EU countries are suspending the Astra-Zeneca vaccine as there have been severe complications in some folks.

And so the true colors are hoisted. No honest question was asked, rather it was an attempt to creat an opening to put forth dubious ideas that have already been discussed numerous times in this very thread.

Hydra rises and says "look, a red herring."

 

[Wrench]

My department was offered the moderna shot. Two of us passed. Those who got it missed one day average on the first shot, 2 days on the second.

They still have to mask up, they still have to quarantine if exposed.

I tested positive last week and beyond a weak sense of smell, I'd have never know if they didn't tell me.

I get 90 hassle free days now.

 

[sneaky]

One of my coworkers was in a customer's house yesterday. She and her husband both got their first shot 3 weeks ago. Her husband died 8 days later. They still haven't told her whether the shot contributed to his death. He said she was crying the entire time just thinking about it.

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[BFR]

Mine’s scheduled, why not, the government shot me with a plethora of crap before I went to VietNam, then on a regular basis sprayed me with Agent Orange for a year.

 

[Mike Islander]

Monday before last (first day here for 55+ with no other requirements). Pfizer. No significant side effects. Absolutely no ***** given about preposterous conspiracy theories.