Reaper or the new OG 30 ?

I'm not yet to the point of having a dedicated suppressor for every rifle but this Reaper is a step in that direction. It's intended use is for 2 rifles. I get a private land cow tag that runs from September 1st to January 31st every year so the can will stay on the Tikka 300 WSM for that. The rest of the year it will go on a Kimber 223 . Eventually I'll get a dedicated 22 center fire can but for now the Reaper will be a lot lighter than the Omega that I use on everything. I'll definitely use a cover for shooting prairie dogs with the Kimber. Is there going to be a .22 end cap for the Reaper?
 
There’s no free lunch if you understand suppressors.

The OG (just going to stick with that name since it is the original) wasn’t the quietest can. It was/is a robust 30 cal OTB can. I own two. I ran a bunch of 6.5 PRC, 6.5 creed, 243 win, and 223 through. The problem with the OG was the hype around it. The team made people think it would be some magical game changer that would make 30 cal rounds as whisper quiet as an 8 inch forward suppressor like a CAT JL. That was where expectations didn’t meet reality. And it didn’t help they dropped a 6.5 version almost immediately that was 5-6 oz lighter and was instantly “the best.”

I also own several muzzle forward suppressors, some flow through, some high back pressure.

The “secret sauce” of the Airlock cans are high back pressure. So you will get very good suppression in a tiny package. But they heat up quickly, and induce back pressure into the system. I own two airlock cans (6.5 and nano). While the nano is also high back pressure, shooting any can with 223 is likely not to induce any issues. I shot the U.S. midge? on a 20” 223 for hundreds of rounds and while its louder than bigger cans, it did just fine.

If I had a training gun, or a gun I wanted to shoot volumes through, it wouldn’t be an airlock. My 6.5 isn’t good for more than 10 rounds without significant mirage, and the back pressure makes it nearly unusable on my factory tikka 6.5 creed. I spoke about this in the S2H thread, but I was pretty upset about it in practical applications. I’d sell it today if I wasn’t in the middle of a cross country move.

If I needed a 30 cal can and wanted OTB, I would get the new OG30 which is lighter than the OG (my OGs are 11 oz). If I were shooting sendero contour barrels like proof XT, I’d opt for a reaper. I want to like the airlock cans but my personal experience is mixed. Great sound suppression but I can’t take my suppressor on any serious backcountry hunt and rely on it.

While I agree we are good at marketing products. I asked the question below to chat; it shows people hear what they want to hear. The last paragraph nails it.

"What did the Shoot2Hunt podcast say about the OG suppressor?

Based on the Shoot2Hunt episodes featuring the OG suppressor, the main points Ryan, Jake, Form, and Cliff emphasized were:

1. They were chasing tone, not just decibel numbers​

A recurring theme was that many suppressor companies focus on the lowest meter reading, while they wanted a suppressor that sounds better to a hunter's ear. They specifically discussed the difference between making a rifle "quieter" and making it sound less sharp. The over-the-barrel design was chosen to create a flatter, duller sound rather than a high-pitched crack.

2. Rifle balance was a major design goal​

The OG was designed around hunters carrying rifles all day. By putting roughly half the suppressor back over the barrel, the weight stays closer to the action and the rifle feels shorter and less muzzle-heavy than a conventional 8-inch can. This was presented as one of the biggest advantages over traditional muzzle-forward suppressors.

3. They believed most hunting suppressors are too long​

On the podcast they explained that hunters often dislike how suppressors make rifles feel unwieldy. The OG's reflex design only adds about 4 inches to overall rifle length despite being 8 inches long. That was one of the primary reasons they went with an over-the-barrel design.

4. The suppressor was designed specifically for hunters​

Rather than a hard-use tactical can, they repeatedly described the OG as a purpose-built hunting suppressor. Lightweight titanium construction, good balance, reduced added length, and a pleasant tone were prioritized over maximum suppression or full-auto durability.

5. They discussed new manufacturing methods​

In Episode 112 they talked about Unknown Suppressors' titanium 3D-printing capabilities and how that allowed them to build the suppressor as a one-piece design.

Later episodes​

  • Episode 124 covered how to buy the new OG and the suppressor purchasing process.
  • Episode 139 introduced the newer 6.5-specific OG variant and provided updates on production and future suppressor designs.
One thing that's interesting is that the Shoot2Hunt crew didn't spend much time claiming the OG was the absolute quietest suppressor available. Their argument was more that for a hunting rifle, balance, length, weight, and tone matter more than winning a decibel-meter contest. That was probably the central message across all the OG-related episodes."
 
Has looking at suppressor "data" become.the same as bench racing bullets yet?

@KickinNDishin got an OG last year for a 7-08, then a 6.5 for the kid rifle. I was impressed enough that I got a Reaper for my rifles.

Switching the three around from 22BR, 22creed multiple lengths, 7-08, 6.5creed, 6creed multiple lengths, and 30-06, I can't pick one out as being "better". We are wearing electronic ear protection when shooting, so, I guess that may be equalizing things. However, when I am off the line and not wearing ear protection, I am really happy with the results and can't determine what rifle/suppressor combo I heard.

With all these threads and how they seem to run in the same circular conversations, I can't help to ask if it's to the point of over-analysis versus actual use.
 
One of the appealing advantages for me of the New Reaper, is the ability to now be flexible & modular.
This approach has changed the way I view suppressors & prioritize their individual performance attributes.

I can now somewhat build out a suppressor
to fit my needs, & alter if needed.
I’d like to see the addition of individual threaded baffle units to increase modularity.

All of this is not new to the industry, but is new
to the Reaper.

Male & Female Threads were meant for each other.
 
when you have to literally beat the bolt open after shooting high quality, factory ammunition- it’s a problem.

Normally, it shouldn’t be an issue. But it is on my system.
Wasn't your back pressure issue only with Terminal ascent ammo? That is a great round, but is known to be on the spicier side.

Now that we have so many great cans to choose from, some are clearly better for certain situations. Obviously using an airlock in S2H is probably not the ideal place for it. Ultra lightweight, that WILL heat up really fast with volume shooting. Now go backcountry hunting, and it excels over tons of other cans. The OG is great for S2H, it will take longer to heat up but is almost twice the weight and considerably louder. If it's your only can, you think it's great. Compare it's noise level with others and it's obvious "quiet" wasn't their priority.
 
Wasn't your back pressure issue only with Terminal ascent ammo? That is a great round, but is known to be on the spicier side.

Now that we have so many great cans to choose from, some are clearly better for certain situations. Obviously using an airlock in S2H is probably not the ideal place for it. Ultra lightweight, that WILL heat up really fast with volume shooting. Now go backcountry hunting, and it excels over tons of other cans. The OG is great for S2H, it will take longer to heat up but is almost twice the weight and considerably louder. If it's your only can, you think it's great. Compare it's noise level with others and it's obvious "quiet" wasn't their priority.
No it wasn’t terminal ascent ammo, it was TRU which is their “tactical” line made to be consistent, not necessarily the fastest. It was their only line using the TMK (they had 308, 6.5 and 223). Directly compared to hornady 140s its MV is slower (~2530 out of an 18” barrel). I had pressure issues shooting norma 130 trying to break it in, but Norma is typically spicy so I didn’t think much of it.

I’m not saying Danny and airlock aren’t on to something, but it is a high back pressure can. And on my system as a whole it does not work. It could totally be the gun too which I’m not completely ruling out (tikkas can have problems too). Which is unfortunate- but one experience isn’t enough to say the other 100s in the market aren’t killing it and guys won’t experience my issues. Danny is great and also reached out - which speaks volumes about him and the company.

To your point about hunting vs S2H- if it was on my 223 trainer I’d totally agree. But it was on the last day confirming zero and chrono before heading out to real distance. There wasn’t any high volume of fire on it. It was simply 1 shot - sticky bolt. Then another 3 which confirmed it, the third being the worst and forcing me to be concerned. Then taking it off, observing, then putting a different suppressor on and checking velocity/function. the whole system may not have enough tolerance to accept the high back pressure, and even doing my best in the back country, dust and grime is likely to get in the action in some way which will only compound the problem. While I wouldn’t fire 10 shots hunting, shooting two-three shots on an animal isn’t unreasonable. Having to break position to force the bolt open just isn’t something I’m going to count on for a hunt.
 
Absolutely, makes sense. Eliminate variables that are causing issues. Buddy has a banish can on 7prc that always produces sticky bolt lift. Take the can off or put a different one on and the issue goes away. From what I recall, he even loaded some rounds quite a bit down and the problem still happened. Some guns, just don't have the tolerances for back pressure I'm assuming.
 
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