Range Finder Binos that do ballistic drop in inches

So you’re doing this and practicing it enough regularly then right? What is your hit rate on vital sized targets at 400 yards?


Yeah he’s asking for a ballistics solution in inches of drop and wants to shoot to 400 yards. You’ll notice most advising against this, and a few saying “it’s easy”.


Most are repeating, to be honest.

If you can't zero a gun at 100, carry it dialed for 2 or 250 zero and shoot to 400 without dialing, I think you are missing out, honestly.

I haven't tracked my hit rates with a rifle. I know where I fall off. If you'd like me to I reckon I can.
I'm plenty familiar with it, it's what I argue all the time in archery.

I don't think 400 and in is falling into a category where that many that take it somewhat seriously are having issue, but maybe I'm wrong.
 
That’s fair.

I agree with this.

He’d be welcomed in our shoots just like anyone else. Everyone gets so worked up over internet words, in real life everyone has always got along great.

300 Norma is point and click baby. All day every day.

They likely aren’t making bold and loud claims on Rokslide. Or am I wrong there?

I like going out and doing the things I talk about on Rokslide and trying new things and learning. He comes to threads like these constantly with troll like posts, gets called out by people who’ve actually done what he claims in real life, rinse repeat.

What are your thoughts on holding inches or are you not here for that?

Ok let’s unwrap this….

1. Do you really think I “don’t go out and get it done”. I assume that means hunt, shoot, and kill shit. I made a commitment to myself not to post anymore dead critter pictures but DM me your cell and I’ll text you 7 dead critters from this year. Does that count or is there a secret handshake I don’t know that is required to “get it done.”

2. Hiding behind the keyboard. I have zero desire to go hang out with certain individuals on here, fortunately for you, your name is on the short list. That’s not because I’m scared to shoot, it’s because you’re a tool in everything you do on here from your 500 grams of protein, to your chest pounding workouts, to you’re stupid Jeep gladiator, to you’re constant kissing up to certain people, to your gear reviews. It’s a good laugh for a lot of us. Don’t worry, weren’t not laughing with you…

3. Your original post. Holding 300 yards is not difficult and MOST semi proficient shooters on here can and do it. Once again, just another way for you to try and pound your chest that you know more than everyone else.

4. Why the eff would I drive to Arizona to shoot with you? The fact that is even a thought in your brain shows how out of touch you are.
 
Most are repeating, to be honest.

If you can't zero a gun at 100, carry it dialed for 2 or 250 zero and shoot to 400 without dialing, I think you are missing out, honestly.
This isn’t what is being discussed though.
I don't think 400 and in is falling into a category where that many that take it somewhat seriously are having issue, but maybe I'm wrong.
In what I’ve seen with hundreds of shooters, yes, you are wrong.

Guys aren’t getting first round deer and elk vitals hits at 400 yards using only inches of hold over and a duplex reticle.

The fact that some are saying “it’s easy” is internet at its finest haha.
 
This isn’t what is being discussed though.

In what I’ve seen with hundreds of shooters, yes, you are wrong.

Guys aren’t getting first round deer and elk vitals hits at 400 yards using only inches of hold over and a duplex reticle.

The fact that some are saying “it’s easy” is internet at its finest haha.
If you had a shooting school you should call it The Learing Center…
 
OP said he zeroes at 200 yards and shoots a 7 Mag and had never practiced a shot using hold over at 400 yards.
Yeah, I agree probably not the best option for that situation. I looked at a quick calc on one of my guns and its like almost 20" hold. I'll try it still tho and report back. I'll dial 200 and hold for 400. I think i have a duplex on my WSM with only wind hold marks.
 
Ok let’s unwrap this….

1. Do you really think I “don’t go out and get it done”. I assume that means hunt, shoot, and kill shit. I made a commitment to myself not to post anymore dead critter pictures but DM me your cell and I’ll text you 7 dead critters from this year. Does that count or is there a secret handshake I don’t know that is required to “get it done.”
Your avatar is a dead critter photo.
2. Hiding behind the keyboard. I have zero desire to go hang out with certain individuals on here, fortunately for you, your name is on the short list. That’s not because I’m scared to shoot, it’s because you’re a tool in everything you do on here from your 500 grams of protein, to your chest pounding workouts, to you’re stupid Jeep gladiator, to you’re constant kissing up to certain people, to your gear reviews. It’s a good laugh for a lot of us. Don’t worry, weren’t not laughing with you…
You sure do think you know a lot about a guy who you think is a tool and stupid. That’s weird.
3. Your original post. Holding 300 yards is not difficult and MOST semi proficient shooters on here can and do it. Once again, just another way for you to try and pound your chest that you know more than everyone else.
My original post is number 7 and I stand by it. You didn’t read it correctly.
4. Why the eff would I drive to Arizona to shoot with you? The fact that is even a thought in your brain shows how out of touch you are.
You could always fly.
 
This isn’t what is being discussed though.

For what the OP asked, shooting 3-400 with an amount of inches dropped, I thought that's exactly what was being discussed.

In what I’ve seen with hundreds of shooters, yes, you are wrong.

I certainly don't put on rifle shooting classes, so I'm sure your data set is different, but damn if I don't actually see a bunch of people getting it done on WT to be honest.

I think there's better ways. I think they would be better to go to a smaller caliber, shoot more. But a reasonably well sighted in 7rm is generally pretty good on WT to 400 where I am. I hate that I have seen it as much as I have. Makes guys think they can shoot way better than they really can.
 
The el range’s have an option for inches of drop as an option in their app, when syncing the binos via Bluetooth, don’t they?

good to know, if true, that sounds like an expensive way to get the OG unit though...and you'd have to be a Swaro groupie so there's that downside also ;)

I got two scopes in rings for my sako and they, like purses for women, will likely be the one thing that changes from time to time on the gun as a new purse comes along, but while current scope is earning time afield with mil provided by the ranging bino, the other scope would be nice to just swap the profile units to inches as it's just a fixed duplex....just one situation where I'd like to have the unit within the unit lol, never mind the other rifles in the safe still rolling duplexes etc. but we've covered off many other uses for this unit as well,

prolly more shooters running around that could benefit from that unit than all moa/mil shooters combined so it seems funny they don't offer the unit for potential increase in sales to the larger market ;)
 
good to know, if true, that sounds like an expensive way to get the OG unit though...and you'd have to be a Swaro groupie so there's that downside also ;)

I got two scopes in rings for my sako and they, like purses for women, will likely be the one thing that changes from time to time on the gun as a new purse comes along, but while current scope is earning time afield with mil provided by the ranging bino, the other scope would be nice to just swap the profile units to inches as it's just a fixed duplex....just one situation where I'd like to have the unit within the unit lol, never mind the other rifles in the safe still rolling duplexes etc. but we've covered off many other uses for this unit as well,

prolly more shooters running around that could benefit from that unit than all moa/mil shooters combined so it seems funny they don't offer the unit for potential increase in sales to the larger market ;)
Kindly, thank you for your commentary.
Regards,
 
Yeah he’s asking for a ballistics solution in inches of drop and wants to shoot to 400 yards. You’ll notice most advising against this, and a few saying “it’s easy”.

it is easy and anyone can go find out themselves but most never do

and he's asking a great question imo, at least he sees the value in having the solution in the unit for most accurate to conditions/range as well as faster than consulting a chart between rangefinder to scope and doing any middle math for the yardage gaps etc. as the rangefinder would give the exact dope for the yardage

as I said maybe I'm short bus special instead of savant special but never really thought this was hard until people on the net said it was hard lol

just recent examples, I threw a bloody holosun 507c green dot a howa grendel not long ago and learned while zeroing at 200 the '2 moa' dot more like 3.75 moa as what it covered of my 15" gong at 200....zeroed to center of dot, understood dot size which coincidentally could be used for range finding as in if dot fits inside deer size kill zone just pull the trigger, if it's growing beyond kill zone (deer size) then start moving the bottom of the dot up on a critter and giver....

and went to buddies place with a few guns and brought it along, he had gongs at 300 and 400, laid down for fun on his 300 gong (roughly 10-12" gongs he has) and put bottom of dot on top of gong and punched a fist size 3 shot group in middle as fast as I could run through 3, easy....then looked at my 400 hold, hovered that dot over the 400 gong (forgot to take into account leaning into the wind) and put 2 for 3 on left edge of gong elevation good....did that fast as heck also....

had I leaned into the wind at 400 all three would have been in there, any deer would have been hit well, elk of course, and that's with ZERO FREAKIN magnification, it's not hard to hold the exact spot for 3 and still shoot moa, I did a bunch with a fixed 2.5x to 400 recently also, no issue confirming drops to 400 and punching typical moa 3-shot groups, much easier with magnification and duplex

where I may 'fall apart' in a crowd on steel or pressured, maybe not, I am the opposite when it comes to filling tags lol, not sure where 'hit rate' even comes into this? in all the shooting I've done it hasn't been a concern at all, my group sizes don't seem to change regardless, as the gun isn't any less accurate and can hold the same spot over and over regardless and getting the drop inches even on steel or board target not hard to see and gets even easier to see on animals where to hold as lots to reference against

shoot 5-6 pin fixed on bow stuff and good chunk of my muley's and couple whitetail have come past 50 yards, gapping and referencing on animals with fixed pins is the norm, I don't get it? whatever you do in your schools keep doing

I don't see any need to fight about this at all, just add the unit and let people find out if they can drive it or not. Maybe it is hard for most? who knows, who cares, it's a missed opportunity from the manufacturers to capture all the 'tapes' in the hunting and shooting community and should just be added to these rangefinders.

It works, always has, always will, and apparently some drive better than others, no big thing.
 
Back to the future….How did we ever fill tags without a LRF and ballistics phone app?

Back in those days, just a plain Jane duplex reticle in 4x or 6x or wow when the first 3x9s came out! Took the caps off the scope to sight in at 220 yards. Put the caps back on and never touched the scope again. Seldom checked for zero if at all. Never lost zero at all. For a flat shooting rifle add two inches for a 200 yard zero, hold another six inches for 300. Add 2 inches to 18 inches at 400 yards…fudge it out to 450 yards. Figure out the yardage by how much the body of the game animal fills the reticle. Hunt enough and these things become 2nd nature.

But with a LRF with embedded solver, MOA is really easy to figure out in inches of drop. At 1000yds one MOA is 10.47 inches or roughly a 10 inch steel gong. I have compared the BR10 to the Sig KILO at 629 yards. The difference in elevation is about 1/10th of an inch.
 
As easy as you say it is to hold and judge inches at distance, it would be just as easy to use the MOA reading your rangefinder gives you and convert that to inches, OR just get a scope that dials and take the nonsense guess work out of it. You honestly think that all these optic companies arent smarter than you when it comes to what products make money and which ones wouldn't?!?!
 
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