Q&A on NF NX6 scope reviews

[Dave Thomas]

Assuming this was in response to my use case.

Sure, I suppose I could, but I have exactly zero desire to touch the turrets after zeroed. Just a difference in preferences.

Heck I'd love for all these super reliable and capable scopes to have super short turrets like scopes 20 years ago where even with the cap on they were maybe 2-3 stacked quarters tall. Just that much less to get snagged on. But thats just not what the majority of the buyers want based on what the market keeps putting out. I fully accept that.

Ok. I see what you're wanting to do. We all have our personal preferences. I'm not one to tell you that you're doing it wrong just because it's a different way. As long as it works for you then great.

 

[5RWill]

Curious how it the 5-30 performs compared to the ZP5 or gen III razor? Parallax is basically set and forget for both of those and glass is spectacular. But I’m trying to make weight for my NRL Hunter build and the Gen III at 54oz with the Spuhr is a bit of hindrance right now.

 

[Remington92]

It’s good. “If” they turn out to be typical NF quality/reliability- I think they’re the best overall scopes the makes for PRS, and general shooting.

Well that’s promising. I’m sure you’re waste deep with the prototype scopes but any chance you could compare to a razor g3 or atacr?

 

[wapitispokes]

I had a good meeting with NF at SHOT. They are aware of this thread. They told me to tell ya they are listening.

Ryan, that is good to hear and we should keep speaking up, but it is obvious they have not been listening. Maybe, just maybe, if we withold our $$'s they would add some better reticles.

But why would they do that now when essentially nothing has changed to this point?

They went into it already knowing that RS members believe that NF reticles "suck for hunting" and knowing that RS members LOVE the NF durability and would buy them by the truckloads if they didn't "suck for hunting". What has changed? Serious question.

[By the way, does anybody know approximately what NF annual non-military sales are of the various scope lines, ideally by reticle?, or what production volume in a particular reticle to move down the production price curve?]

We should keep complaining even though it is improbable that NF cares. Maybe we will get lucky and they will offer a better reticle. But it does NOTHING to solve the current problem.

I believe I made a comment in an earlier post that I (and I am sure many others) would contribute some $$ to the development of a better reticle if that is what it took to get NF to build a line of scopes for RS / S2H/ UM / EuroOptic.

It wouldn't seem to be too dificult for S2H / UM perhaps along with EuroOptic to contract for the production of a suitable quantity of scopes with suitable reticles. I believe I made the point that it would be like when Ruger runs special variations of its single action revolvers and sells batches to various firearm distributors who then get to offer / control that "unique" version. I think @Formidilosus replied to my post saying that "they" (I think that meant Form himself or perhaps other S2H folks) ALREADY MADE THAT OFFER to NF and it was DECLINED by NF. (Hopefully I summarized that correctly.

SMH.

It's just hard for me to imagine what is going on at NF, but i do know that just because a person or small group of people start a successful small business that does NOT mean that they optimize the business and it does NOT mean they are particularly bright. Lots of small businesses are very dysfunctional and not optimized for maximum profitability. Sometimes the owners try to set them up for their view of optimum quality of life and current income, or optimal employment for kids, or .... the list goes on.

I talked to NF on the phone when the NX6 first came out. That CS rep was oblivious that the NX6 reticles (esp. on the 2-12) "sucked for hunting". Either that or he was well trained to act oblivious. I even mentioned RS and he acknowledged awareness.

To @Formidilosus point earlier ... Form essentially said - "yes, NF knows, we have talked to NF and they just don't care". (Hopefully I summarized that correctly)

 

[Dave Thomas]

A modified mil r reticle would be perfect for hunting.

 

[Shraggs]

Ryan, that is good to hear and we should keep speaking up, but it is obvious they have not been listening. Maybe, just maybe, if we withold our $$'s they would add some better reticles.

But why would they do that now when essentially nothing has changed to this point?

They went into it already knowing that RS members believe that NF reticles "suck for hunting" and knowing that RS members LOVE the NF durability and would buy them by the truckloads if they didn't "suck for hunting". What has changed? Serious question.

[By the way, does anybody know approximately what NF annual non-military sales are of the various scope lines, ideally by reticle?, or what production volume in a particular reticle to move down the production price curve?]

We should keep complaining even though it is improbable that NF cares. Maybe we will get lucky and they will offer a better reticle. But it does NOTHING to solve the current problem.

I believe I made a comment in an earlier post that I (and I am sure many others) would contribute some $$ to the development of a better reticle if that is what it took to get NF to build a line of scopes for RS / S2H/ UM / EuroOptic.

It wouldn't seem to be too dificult for S2H / UM perhaps along with EuroOptic to contract for the production of a suitable quantity of scopes with suitable reticles. I believe I made the point that it would be like when Ruger runs special variations of its single action revolvers and sells batches to various firearm distributors who then get to offer / control that "unique" version. I think @Formidilosus replied to my post saying that "they" (I think that meant Form himself or perhaps other S2H folks) ALREADY MADE THAT OFFER to NF and it was DECLINED by NF. (Hopefully I summarized that correctly.

SMH.

It's just hard for me to imagine what is going on at NF, but i do know that just because a person or small group of people start a successful small business that does NOT mean that they optimize the business and it does NOT mean they are particularly bright. Lots of small businesses are very dysfunctional and not optimized for maximum profitability. Sometimes the owners try to set them up for their view of optimum quality of life and current income, or optimal employment for kids, or .... the list goes on.

I talked to NF on the phone when the NX6 first came out. That CS rep was oblivious that the NX6 reticles (esp. on the 2-12) "sucked for hunting". Either that or he was well trained to act oblivious. I even mentioned RS and he acknowledged awareness.

To @Formidilosus point earlier ... Form essentially said - "yes, NF knows, we have talked to NF and they just don't care". (Hopefully I summarized that correctly)

I think if they are listening their analysis shows hunters must be a small segment of sales and the development isn’t wort the squeeze. I’d wager this negative press is what has their attention.

NF, my suggestion. THLR the developer of the original vs the reduced content S2H scope reticle has posted some remarkable information about the original design. In fact it was intended for tactical or professional use if I recall in a recent few posts.

That reticle is available currently and obviously would serve both professionally and hunting. A risky comment - is the professional community may really not know or understand they would benefit far more than your existing entire line up.