Q&A for Minox ZP5 5-25x56mm THLR scope

[Nine Banger]

Has anyone:

a) sent theirs back besides @rbuthcher1234 and I?

b) heard from anyone at Blaser USA about it?

I'll call if we don't hear anything.

My understanding was one shipment back to Germany per week for repairs.

 

[5MilesBack]

Mine was delivered to them on the 2nd. Haven't heard anything from them.

 

[Nine Banger]

Mine was delivered to them on the 2nd. Haven't heard anything from them.

I left a voicemail asking for an update on the first batch of ZP5s to arrrive.

 

[Schaaf]

Has anyone:

a) sent theirs back besides @rbuthcher1234 and I?

b) heard from anyone at Blaser USA about it?

I'll call if we don't hear anything.

My understanding was one shipment back to Germany per week for repairs.

Mine was delivered on the 4th. Haven't heard anything.

 

[3gunyotehtr]

Mine seems to be ok. I am going to put it on my coyote gun and shoot and hunt with it a bit to make sure that it is good to go.

 

[rbutcher1234]

Mine was delivered on the 4th. Haven't heard anything.

Delivered 1/29 and multiple follow up emails unanswered. Including one where I highlighted the auto response that specifically says they will confirm receipt.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

My zero was .5" high initially.

Gee, who would have guessed?

 

[schmidty3]

Gee, who would have guessed?

Well based on current reviews of a minox...

No one.

It was zero'd

I took it to a match. During the match it shifted half inch high apparently.

Take it back to the range. It hits high.

And mid session it reverts back to perfect.

Is that what you'd expect out of a scope?

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Lol. I told you the zero was off on the previous page. You were rude then, and rude again today. Your targets also show why your group sizes are inexplicably different than you've seen before, and how you ended up with a bad zero to begin with. If I believed you were capable of learning, I would tell you.

Have fun throwing your online hissy fit.

 

[Formidilosus]

Well based on current reviews of a minox...

No one.

It was zero'd

I took it to a match. During the match it shifted half inch high apparently.

Take it back to the range. It hits high.

And mid session it reverts back to perfect.

Is that what you'd expect out of a scope?

I think what he’s getting at, is you are likely overestimating your ability or expectations. None of those 5’ish round groups shown say that you as a shooter are .5 MOA on demand with that system. More like a 1.2 to 1.5 MOA on demand with large shot group sizes (20) and therefore .5 MOA “shift” is well inside your actual true cone.

 

[rbutcher1234]

@schmidty3

Shoot a larger (30+) group with that gun and really get an idea of the on demand performance. If I ever need to validate an optic, I put it on my 6BR. Which does things like this:

 

[schmidty3]

I think what he’s getting at, is you are likely overestimating your ability or expectations. None of those 5’ish round groups shown say that you as a shooter are .5 MOA on demand with that system. More like a 1.2 to 1.5 MOA on demand with large shot group sizes (20) and therefore .5 MOA “shift” is well inside your actual true cone.

Its certainly possible.

But every other group on that paper with the 140 hybrids, except the ones where im doing the tracking test, Are about 1/2-5/8" once corrected for my initial zeroing clicks (14 shots total, Bottom ocw target has 12 from 2 weeks ago, top target has the 2 shown in close up. The grids are 1/2" i believe). And like I said, the compiled tracking test groups are the biggest that gun has ever shot, and they opened up towards the low side mid test.

And every other group Ive shot with the 140s for the life of the gun has looked like that 144 load dev target and usually under 5/8" (the fliers on 42.3 and 42.9 were entirely because i had 10 seconds to send 3 before range went cold and even counting those its still about an moa).

It all could be within the margins, sure, and 1/2" high isnt awful, But its on probation.

 

[Dobermann]

@EuroOptic - Jake, seeing people not hearing from Blaser above, is there any chance you can contact Blaser to assist?

 

[rbutcher1234]

Minox just sent me an email confirming the scopes are in their possession.

 

[5MilesBack]

Minox just sent me an email confirming the scopes are in their possession.

As in.....in Germany?

 

[schmidty3]

@schmidty3

Shoot a larger (30+) group with that gun and really get an idea of the on demand performance. If I ever need to validate an optic, I put it on my 6BR. Which does things like this:

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Your zero is off

Hypothetically, if you were shooting said rifle, and noticed a group shift a half inch higher then nominal, that seemed to go away after more dialing...

Whats the next step?

As far as large group sizes...

Ive got 20 rounds right there spanning 0.9 grains of h4350 with the 144s, and Including the called flier its decently under an inch, exclude that, and the low one at 42.9 that might have been me or just the behavior of the upper load and its 1/2" over 18 rounds (point being the barrel shoots the same POI across many loads and bullets). And ive got 14 140 hybrids across that target shot in non dialing circumstances that would all be under 3/4" once corrected for the clicks I added to zero. Combine the 140s, and 144s (excluding the flier) and the entire group would be inside the 1" diamond.

This isnt the first time im shooting this gun. But its the first few hundred ive shot with this scope. The biggest groups on the target are from the tracking test, and the excess dispersion is vertical. They still are ~1.2" Top to bottom. But every other group on that paper is ~1/2" vertically.

Im not ruling the gun out, but ive never noticed a vertical group thats that stretched out.

Im not ruling the scope out either..It could just be a skill issue with a new scope, It could just be me not dialing correctly, the clicks do seem to be able to be biased towards one side of the click groove or another, and the lines arent quite perfectly aligned. Maybe i missed one, or biased it strangely. Maybe the scope just needed some movement to gets its juices flowing, its been sitting on a pallet for five years after all. I did add a little extra snug to the turret screws tonight. One screw moved a teeny bit, the other none.

Whatever the case, the current behavior of the system is exceeding nominal performance.