Q&A AB Raptor 8 eval

[Formidilosus]

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Thread 'AB Raptor 8 Evaluation'

Yesterday at 10:20 PM

I will post more about the reason for the three different events as time permits. For now, the information that I have:





308 win, 20” barrel, M118 LR:

Averaged 133.1 dBA SE-




Control TBAC UL7 Gen 2 averaged 131.3 dBA SE





6.5cm, 20” barrel, Hornady 140gr:

The battery on the glasses died and did not record the film from the AB with the 6.5 and the 7PRC with the TBAC the first day. This is the video I have from the second day, and it has the US OG65 for the comparison. I will post this here, but will redo the...

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[Marbles]

It looks like, relative to the control, the OG 6.5 out performs the Raptor 8. If so, that is pretty impressive and has me rethinking what will replace my Scythe.

 

[Formidilosus]

It looks like, relative to the control, the OG 6.5 out performs the Raptor 8. If so, that is pretty impressive and has me rethinking what will replace my Scythe.

It does almost across the board. The Raptor 8 is a very good can, however a part of people reaction to it is that it does sound different than the normal Ti cans. It’s good at suppression, but not really different than others.

 

[ElPollo]

@Formidilosus

Thanks for doing these. Great resource, just like the scope tests.

I think the Raptor, and likely the OG, are cases where they end up being more than the sum of the parts. You can quantify dB and even recoil impulses. But on some of these cans there are extra benefits that you notice when shooting them, and you can’t easily record it or quantify it. I’ve had a Raptor 8 stack with a 3” reflex for about 3 years now. I’ve been around and shot a lot of other rifle cans at the range, and haven’t yet seen one that made me want to replace it.

 

[sndmn11]

What happens to those numbers when the reflex is used ?

 

[omicron1792]

I think not using the reflex on the raptor sells it short.

 

[Formidilosus]

I think not using the reflex on the raptor sells it short.

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So does not using a reflex on every muzzle forward can sell it short?

 

[Marbles]

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So does not using a reflex on every muzzle forward can sell it short?

Depends on how one wants to look at it.

The Raptor is shipped with a reflex, making it arguably part of the product rather than just an aftermarket accessory.

Not using a Rokstok on any rifle sells it short, but not using a Rokstok on the MRC Marshall is stripping away one of its selling points.

That said, the reflex is more complicated than the above example as it comes in varying volumes and adds 6 ounces. So a Raptor with a reflex is pretty much a different can than with the flush mount.

 

[sndmn11]

. I’ve had a Raptor 8 stack with a 3” reflex for about 3 years now. I’ve been around and shot a lot of other rifle cans at the range, and haven’t yet seen one that made me want to replace it.

What happens to those numbers when the reflex is used ?

My reason for asking is inexperience and ignorance, followed by comments like @ElPollo . On the two former adjectives, a primary appeal on paper to the Raptor is the included reflex attachment. Without it, it may gets lost in the mix of many others, but perhaps with the reflex it separates itself.

It would be neat to see it shot head to head against itself in both configurations.

 

[Formidilosus]

Depends on how one wants to look at it.

The Raptor is shipped with a reflex, making it arguably part of the product rather than just an aftermarket accessory.

That’s just because you can’t get the reflex by itself anymore. You used to be able to just get the can.

Not using a Rokstok on any rifle sells it short, but not using a Rokstok on the MRC Marshall is stripping away one of its selling points.

That said, the reflex is more complicated than the above example as it comes in varying volumes and adds 6 ounces. So a Raptor with a reflex is pretty much a different can than with the flush mount.

Hey, the standard should be reflexed cans from where I sit. But the statement that the Raptor without the reflex is selling it short- that’s not reallly logical. I’m not disagreeing that the AB 8 or 10 with reflex is a very good can. But with those reflexes, they’re kind of in a different category from about everything else in size, bulk and weight.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Without getting into the semantics of whether it is an essential part of the Raptor system, I would love to see how the 8 w/ 3” reflex tests (and the 10 w/ 5” reflex).

 

[omicron1792]

That’s just because you can’t get the reflex by itself anymore. You used to be able to just get the can.





Hey, the standard should be reflexed cans from where I sit. But the statement that the Raptor without the reflex is selling it short- that’s not reallly logical. I’m not disagreeing that the AB 8 or 10 with reflex is a very good can. But with those reflexes, they’re kind of in a different category from about everything else in size, bulk and weight.

Then do your reviews of the Marshall without the rockstock. Hey, not really a big part of it right?

 

[Formidilosus]

Then do your reviews of the Marshall without the rockstock. Hey, not really a big part of it right?

This is why I responded the way I did. The OTB is NOT integral, nor was it the main selling point when it came out. This can was bought without the OTB section by the owner. Most of the users that I see with AB’s do not use the OTB portion. If I had the OTB section I would have measured that as well.

An objective view would show that OTB does a lot for cans if done well, because without the OTB the Raptor 8 is just a good 6+ inch can in a bunch of good 6+ inch cans.

 

[Marbles]

Then do your reviews of the Marshall without the rockstock. Hey, not really a big part of it right?

There is another problem with the comparison I made, being the Raptor is also sold with a flush mount. The Marshall is not sold with two stocks.

On the Raptors, it really does depend on how one looks at it.

I would like to see data with a reflex, preferably a 3 inch bull barrel as that is what I have. But, you have 10 different possibilities for reflex. There is surely a difference between a 1 inch bull barrel reflex and a 5 inch sporter barrel reflex.

Basically AB produces 44 different cans. More information is nice, but in themselves these tests represent more information than we had before.

 

[omicron1792]

Form.

You’re a wealth of knowledge.

However, you told someone in this same thread they wouldn’t listen to others’ reasonable posts and ever change their mind.

I think you’re doing the same thing here. Step back, take a deep breath, admit you’re wrong here, and move on. It would make all the other good stuff you say even more valuable.

 

[omicron1792]

This is why I responded the way I did. The OTB is NOT integral, nor was it the main selling point when it came out. This can was bought without the OTB section by the owner. Most of the users that I see with AB’s do not use the OTB portion. If I had the OTB section I would have measured that as well.

An objective view would show that OTB does a lot for cans if done well, because without the OTB the Raptor 8 is just a good 6+ inch can in a bunch of good 6+ inch cans.

But it’s sold as a reflex suppressor that “can” be used without it for guns that won’t fit reflex, or if someone wants a lighter hunting setup.

Why did you cut an OG and shoot it without the reflex?

The raptor needs the reflex to get maximal benefit. Call AB and they would tell you the same thing.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

This can was bought without the OTB section by the owner. ... If I had the OTB section I would have measured that as well.

An objective view would show that OTB does a lot for cans if done well, because without the OTB the Raptor 8 is just a good 6+ inch can in a bunch of good 6+ inch cans.

Maybe we can test out mine when I bring it to S2H next summer?

Between it and Raptor 10 I will be over the weight limit for checked luggage, but I don’t mind paying the airline extra.

 

[Formidilosus]

Why did you cut an OG and shoot it without the reflex?

What are you talking about? I did exactly that and posted a video of it.

Does the lack of logic even slightly come through? First- I didn’t cut a can up- I measured it exactly as it was bought because the owner didn’t get the reflex. I don’t know if you remember, or weren’t using cans when the Raptors came out- but the reflex was an add on that you bought.

The raptor needs the reflex to get maximal benefit. Call AB and they would tell you the same thing.

I don’t need to call anyone. All cans need a reflex to get maximum benefit. It may be sold as a reflex can now- it was not when it was new. It was a normal can, that you could add the reflex to.

So to head off the next reply that shows you aren’t reading what I’m writing- I can’t test a thing that isn’t there. The AB came without a reflex, I can’t meter something I don’t have.

 

[Formidilosus]

Maybe we can test out mine when I bring it to S2H next summer?

Between it and Raptor 10 I will be over the weight limit for checked luggage, but I don’t mind paying the airline extra.

Sure. We can shoot whatever y’all want within reason.

 

[omicron1792]

What are you talking about? I did exactly that and posted a video of it.

Does the lack of logic even slightly come through? First- I didn’t cut a can up- I measured it exactly as it was bought because the owner didn’t get the reflex. I don’t know if you remember, or weren’t using cans when the Raptors came out- but the reflex was an add on that you bought.



I don’t need to call anyone. All cans need a reflex to get maximum benefit. It may be sold as a reflex can now- it was not when it was new. It was a normal can, that you could add the reflex to.

So to head off the next reply that shows you aren’t reading what I’m writing- I can’t test a thing that isn’t there. The AB came without a reflex, I can’t meter something I don’t

I’ve kept up with raptor. I’ve been using one for a while.

You know a lot form. Probably more than any one person here.

But…..you don’t know it all my man. And certainly not more than the collective intelligence of the people here.

Someone thinking different than you isn’t always that they haven’t read what you wrote. Sometimes it’s that they disagree with what you wrote.