Pump rifle

[Macintosh]

@K9kodi not you.

 

[K9kodi]

Ive got a 7600 .270 that shoots well and has killed a dump truck load of deer. They're vastly overvalued on the used market IMO.

That said, ill sell you mine for $4,500

That’s a bit high. I woulda been alll in at 4,250. Sorry we couldn’t come to an agreement. Oh well.

 

[onlybrowning]

For sure thats all in play a lot of times. But just for arguments sake, my 7600 wears a bonded rail, nightforce ul rings, and a trijicon accupoint scope. The rail may be the weak link on these, and the mandatory short mounting length as a result. But I still have seen a bunch that were mounted well with reliable scopes and good shooters that cant hold a candle to most bolt action rifles from a precision standpoint.
I’d challenge anyone claiming consistent sub-moa precision to post their 10-round group with one of these. 3-rounds once in a while sure, but thats a much lower hurdle. Based on what Ive personally seen I am pretty confident not many will be better than 2moa for 10 rounds.

And lest anyone think Im bashing these guns, Im not—its still my go-to deer rifle and I have no qualms relying on it.

I’m working on setting up two exactly this way right now and I’m curious to see how they shoot. I’ll post results here…as long as it isn’t too bad lol. I probably fit the description of the guys I was picking on in my post above more than I care to admit!

 

[Choupique]

Ill try to remember to bring mine next time I go burn ammo and see how itll do for a 10 shot group.

Mechanically theres no reason they cant shoot well. Its a fully floated barrel with a solid lockup. The triggers arent great but mines not terrible.

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

It is interesting to me that pump shotguns are wildly popular. Pump center fire rifles aren't made anymore. Lever action rifles are very popular. Lever action shotguns are a rare novelty. In practical terms, what, if anything, explains this?

 

[K9kodi]

I think pump rifles and semi auto rifles went the way of ar15s and plethoras of bottom and mid tier bolt guns. The mindset in my minds eye when pump and semi auto center fire rifles were big was more focused on deer camps. Man drives and less long range , crispi boots technology hunting.

 

[WW2 Buff]

I cut and threaded my 7600 30-06 to 18 inch, added a timney trigger kit, Limbsaver Airtech and Maven 2-10. The 3lb trigger still has lots of creep. I hunt suppressed and the gun went from 2-3 inch MOA to .5 inch and is super handy. Still or stand hunting nothing compares to it for staying on target and follow up shots. Purchased new in 1985 i will never sell it.

 

[mcseal2]

I've had good luck with them. I had several 760's over the years. The first was a 270 I shot a lot. I eventually wore the magazine catch out so it wouldn't hold the front of the mag high enough to reliably feed so I sold it cheap to a guy who wanted to fix it. A couple others in 30-06 ended up with college friends who took their first deer with them. One guy is left-handed and still uses his some. I had a 7615 too I really like that got stolen with my vehicle several years back. All shot 1.5" groups or better with ammo they liked. The 7615 had a Swaro Z3 4-12x on it and shot Black Hills 55 grain soft points into 1/2" groups. It had a trigger spring kit I think from Timney that made a big difference.

 

[StupidLightweight]

I cut and threaded my 7600 30-06 to 18 inch, added a timney trigger kit, Limbsaver Airtech and Maven 2-10. The 3lb trigger still has lots of creep. I hunt suppressed and the gun went from 2-3 inch MOA to .5 inch and is super handy.

Good point. For a suppressed, locked breech design, I don’t think you can get any faster than a pump. Using cans has caused my interest in auto loaders to plummet.

 

[Blockcaver]

Cut my teeth shooting whitetails with a 1938 built Remington 141 rifle (22” barrel I think) chambered in .32 Remington. Shot 170 grain round nose Remington Core-Loks or Winchester Silver Tips at about 2150 fps.

Rifle was bought new by my father. As he aged he added a Weaver K-3 on a Pachmayr Tip-off mount so you could still use the open sights if the scope got snow or fog on the lens.

Rifle was plenty accurate to kill my first whitetail and a half a dozen more. Still gets used by a young grand niece who shot her first last year…a WI deer.

As I remember it if you held it in your hand over sandbags it was more accurate than with the forend directly on the front bag.

When I moved to CO, Gart Brothers Sports Castle, downtown Denver had a sale on .32 Remington CorLokt ammo. I went and cleaned them out…6 or 7 boxes at $4 per box. The cartridge was already obsolete in the mid-70’s, along with the .30 Remington sibling. Easily reloaded though so ammo isn’t a big deal if you have cases.

The 141 and 14 always struck me as much better built than the 760 series. And we had a 121 pump .22 which was the under-study for the CF 141 and a couple 16 ga 870’s. Familiarity helps when the buck (or rabbit) charges by or the grouse flushes in the thick alders.

 

[sbaker0029]

If i were loaded, I'd own an IMI Timberwolf in .357 Mag. These just look like a blast to carry and shoot. I mean, come on...

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Next up would be a shorty version of the Remington 14/14R/141 followed by a Savage 170 in .30-30 (also cut short with can added).

The last kind of pump I'd buy would be the Browning BPR (fascinating design but too big) and the Remington 760 or 7600, not because it's a bad design but because I have no need for a long-action cartridge.

If i were to own a 760-class rifle, I'd want the 7615 that uses detachable AR mags. I always thought this was a unique design.

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I owned a 7615 for a hot minute. I was 20 and thought it was the coolest gun ever because it took AR mags, until I shot and carried it around.

Could never make it through a full mag with some sort of malfunction.

Trigger = hot garbage

Accuracy was about 3 moa at best with 50gr v-max and 6 moa with 55gr fmj.

I think it was like 8lb, really heavy for what it was and not balanced. I'd rather carry my garand than that thing.

As for the Remington 760 .30-'06 my granddad owned, very nice rifle and shot pretty decent, he killed a lot of deer with it.

 

[K9kodi]

I love these stories of people running memories through their old pumps.

 

[Tod osier]

Ill try to remember to bring mine next time I go burn ammo and see how itll do for a 10 shot group.

Mechanically theres no reason they cant shoot well. Its a fully floated barrel with a solid lockup. The triggers arent great but mines not terrible.

They are a little funky on the barrel attachment, the barrel has an extension/bracket that bolts to the receiver with what in a pump shotgun would be the magazine tube serving as the nut (part 4 above, part 7 is the bolt that goes from inside the receiver to part 4). I've always wondered if it was welded/brazed/soldered the barrel bracket to the receiver if that would tighten the groups on the sloppy ones. I've had mine apart and couldn't find a torque spec when I put it back together.

Back in the day, I sent my trigger to "the guy" in PA that worked on them at the time (don't remember who) and it came back polished and with new springs and with an overtravel limit screw. Due to the design it is still super creepy.

 

[Tod osier]

I love these stories of people running memories through their old pumps.

Bought mine for my first alaska float trip. Rationale at the time was that in an area with hungry bears, there wasn't much that could sling more large lead faster than a pump 35 whelen, especially since I'm pretty good with a shotgun.

This photo captures what would become a foundational moment in my dislike for Leopold scopes.

 

[K9kodi]

Hahaha, at first I thought yiy had a dead black bear,

 

[Tod osier]

Hahaha, at first I thought yiy had a dead black bear,

That is funny, too far north for them, tho.

 

[Bearded Gnome]

Thought the same for a couple of seconds then decided the perspective was wrong. Had to be your ever watchful pup. Be Well, BG.

 

[Bull_n_heat]

When these rifles come up and people report them being inaccurate, I wonder if it is a case of compounding factors being the reason they don’t shoot well. Most of the examples I’ve seen have cheap scopes, even cheaper mounts (often those see through things that have the Lincoln Tunnel to look through for when your cheap scope fogs up from da Tirty Point Buck making you breathe heavy) and most were installed by Uncle Buck with a screwdriver from under the seat of his pickup truck, torqued to “it just started getting easier to turn.” Then you realize they’ve always transported the rifle in that same pickup truck muzzle down so the crown looks like the flat side of the ball peen hammer that’s next to that screwdriver. Also, that really long travel, gritty trigger is no match for the booger hook grabbing it like he’s setting the hook on a bullhead with his Zebco 33. Since the scope is so bad, most pop their head up like Punxsatawney Phil to see where the dirt flew up from before the bullet gets there to see what adjustments to make. They’ve only got 12 “shells left” in the box, so we gotta
make each one count. That and the bruise from that plastic butt pad hasn’t healed up from last year yet.

I've rarely seen this amount of Americana embedded within a Rokslide post. Well done!

 

[grfox92]

When these rifles come up and people report them being inaccurate, I wonder if it is a case of compounding factors being the reason they don’t shoot well. Most of the examples I’ve seen have cheap scopes, even cheaper mounts (often those see through things that have the Lincoln Tunnel to look through for when your cheap scope fogs up from da Tirty Point Buck making you breathe heavy) and most were installed by Uncle Buck with a screwdriver from under the seat of his pickup truck, torqued to “it just started getting easier to turn.” Then you realize they’ve always transported the rifle in that same pickup truck muzzle down so the crown looks like the flat side of the ball peen hammer that’s next to that screwdriver. Also, that really long travel, gritty trigger is no match for the booger hook grabbing it like he’s setting the hook on a bullhead with his Zebco 33. Since the scope is so bad, most pop their head up like Punxsatawney Phil to see where the dirt flew up from before the bullet gets there to see what adjustments to make. They’ve only got 12 “shells left” in the box, so we gotta
make each one count. That and the bruise from that plastic butt pad hasn’t healed up from last year yet.

To be honest, Ive never seen a remington pump that didn't have those tunes scope mounts to use the open sights. I dont understand how anyone shoots those guns with those mounts.

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[Bearded Gnome]

I hate those see through mounts. I had a "friend" at work that was a know it all and wouldn't you be able to guess He swore those were the best mount and sights ever made. One of those guys who wasn't happy unless he had two F bombs worked into a sentence. You can't say much about that to someone who may be the one to pull your backside off the ground in a fight with an inmate at a prison where you work. I want my scope as low to the barrel as I can get it for the least amount of offset. Use QD rings if you wish. Then you can take off the scope if you need to go into the wait a bit for a bear, or whatever. Be well Brothers, BG.