PRS scope that passes drop eval?

[Ruggedsportsman]

Well I guess im going to use it for NRL hunter. But is it really just nightforce? Looking for a 34mm tube FFP w/ MOA reticle

 

[mj23polaris]

Zeiss s3 I don’t remember if they do moa, but I’m about to start year 2 with one, love it, rock solid scope in nf rings. Got it bc it fit the bill and passed drop


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[Ruggedsportsman]

Zeiss s3 I don’t remember if they do moa, but I’m about to start year 2 with one, love it, rock solid scope in nf rings. Got it bc it fit the bill and passed drop


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Definitely fits the bill but I am kind of uneasy with Zeiss since the V4 and s5 failed the drop eval

 

[mj23polaris]

Dude I wouldn’t hesitate with the s3 line, I’d buy another, I shoot a few PRS matches and 4-5 NRL hunter matches a year with it plus all the practice in between in NF rings and it’s been rock steady. Good glass, the fov is big in the meat of the mag range like 12-25x. The reticle is awesome, in mil it does a dot at .5 mil mark and it’s a good reference mark for bracketing or getting quick reference. I’ve track tested it a few times and it’s been spot on.

I don’t know if it correlates but Zeiss told me they recommend 25in lb for ring caps in the 34mm scopes. Well I run my NF with 25in lbs all in nf rings and my zeiss with 25in lb in nf rings and they all hold zero. The trijicons I owned never had ring cap torque specs and they always held zero in NF rings. So if the scope can take 25in lbs it should be good to go in my opinion/what I’ve seen.


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[SloppyJ]

4x32 Nx8 for me. Hard to beat. Shoot a Maven on that B.

 

[mj23polaris]

Yeah nx8 4-32 also is a good one I used mine in matches before it became a hunting only scope and it’s has also never let me down.


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[Hydra6]

For PRS, ATACR 7-35 and MIL-C reticle.

For NRL Hunter, I would look at the new NX6 series when they become available or the NX8 series - again in MILs.

Maybe a SWFA 3-15FFP would be an option - 15x probably enough.

 

[JohnJohnson]

You should strongly consider not using MOA anything if PRS or NRLH are on the menu. It's a flat out worse system compared to MRAD and almost no one at the matches will be using MOA. So it's harder to communicate. Anyway for your uses maybe preorder a NF NX6 of some flavor.

 

[Hydra6]

You should strongly consider not using MOA anything if PRS or NRLH are on the menu. It's a flat out worse system compared to MRAD and almost no one at the matches will be using MOA. So it's harder to communicate.

This - but often new shooters insist MOA is just fine - and it is until you are talking a different "language" with all your buddies

 

[Ruggedsportsman]

Yeah nx8 4-32 also is a good one I used mine in matches before it became a hunting only scope and it’s has also never let me down.


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Definitely a great scope but I have one on a hunting rig. Prefer to look at 34mm tubes

 

[wpeach1912]

Definitely a great scope but I have one on a hunting rig. Prefer to look at 34mm tubes

Idk if the G3 razors have been tested, but I know the G2s were generally regarded as quite tough. I also think it has as much to do with the mounting system as the scope itself. If you want a G3 4-24 in MOA for a good deal I may know a guy

 

[Hydra6]

Definitely a great scope but I have one on a hunting rig. Prefer to look at 34mm tubes

NRL Hunter has weight limits - 34mm scopes tend to be heavy

 

[alexnelon]

For strictly playing games, I don't think it's that big of a deal to pass a drop eval.

The zero board is open every morning, and PRS matches will frequently have zero boards set up every few stages. You have 45+ minutes between stages. If your rifle falls, you just run over to the zero board.

All the guys who win are shooting Kahles, Vortex, and Leupold for the most part and they generally don't really care if the zero is off, they just want to know where the zero is and then adjust the zero offset in the kestrel.

When you're constantly shooting, losing zero by a tenth from the car ride in isn't that big of a deal. The much much more common issue I see that causes disaster stages is improper scope/ring mounting, loose action screws, and mags that won't feed.

 

[Lawnboi]

For strictly playing games, I don't think it's that big of a deal to pass a drop eval.

The zero board is open every morning, and PRS matches will frequently have zero boards set up every few stages. You have 45+ minutes between stages. If your rifle falls, you just run over to the zero board.

All the guys who win are shooting Kahles, Vortex, and Leupold for the most part and they generally don't really care if the zero is off, they just want to know where the zero is and then adjust the zero offset in the kestrel.

When you're constantly shooting, losing zero by a tenth from the car ride in isn't that big of a deal. The much much more common issue I see that causes disaster stages is improper scope/ring mounting, loose action screws, and mags that won't feed.

This is very location dependent. Many of the matches around here don’t have zero boards at all.

I see enough high and low misses and people complaining of non matching data that I choose to shoot a reliable scope, even though the game is not very demanding on it.

I started with an Athlon that was an issue. Nothing more frustrating to a new shooter than chasing a zero or data that isn’t lining up. The guys that are good recognize those one and two tenth shifts fast. A beginner might not notice it all day.

 

[ddowning]

It was a pissant local regional series, but between the matches I lost by 1 point and the scope failing altogether at the finale, a Vortex cost me a series win. Every match it needed a .1 to .3 adjustment which happened on the paint of the first stage because there were no zero boards. There is an awful lot of merit to a system that absolutely holds zero.

 

[Ruggedsportsman]

For strictly playing games, I don't think it's that big of a deal to pass a drop eval.

The zero board is open every morning, and PRS matches will frequently have zero boards set up every few stages. You have 45+ minutes between stages. If your rifle falls, you just run over to the zero board.

All the guys who win are shooting Kahles, Vortex, and Leupold for the most part and they generally don't really care if the zero is off, they just want to know where the zero is and then adjust the zero offset in the kestrel.

When you're constantly shooting, losing zero by a tenth from the car ride in isn't that big of a deal. The much much more common issue I see that causes disaster stages is improper scope/ring mounting, loose action screws, and mags that won't feed.

So actually I had a vortex viper PST gen 2 that lost zero about a foot right at the last stage of my first match. It wasn’t until a Leupold VX5 I had on my hunting rifle lost zero that I dove down the drop test rabbit hole. Our local only has a zero board before the match then we drive to a private area of the ranch to compete. I don’t know. I have replaced every single one of my riflescopes with brands that have only passed drop eval’s so I wouldn’t feel right spending money on something that hasn’t passed

 

[alexnelon]

I see enough high and low misses and people complaining of non matching data that I choose to shoot a reliable scope, even though the game is not very demanding on it.

I started with an Athlon that was an issue. Nothing more frustrating to a new shooter than chasing a zero or data that isn’t lining up. The guys that are good recognize those one and two tenth shifts fast. A beginner might not notice it all day.

All true to an extent. Bad shooters always blame gear though and always think they can buy points.

I have a solid rifle and haven't had to slip a turret in 3 years, but if I handed my entire setup to a new or poor shooter to shoot a match, after 4 stages of abject failure 90% of them would be questioning and complaining about the gear.

Most people can't shoot well enough to notice a 1-2 tenth shift, but everybody thinks they can.

Every guy who pulled a shot 4 tenths left on the final stage with the match on the line will convince themselves it was an equipment failure long before they admit their nerves got to them.

Junk scopes fail constantly, and guys using scopes that fail drop evals win matches left and right. Both are true.

For hunting, yes it's mandatory to have a scope that doesn't move. For PRS, $2k on ammo will buy you way more points than $2k on a scope.

 

[Lawnboi]

All true to an extent. Bad shooters always blame gear though and always think they can buy points.

I have a solid rifle and haven't had to slip a turret in 3 years, but if I handed my entire setup to a new or poor shooter to shoot a match, after 4 stages of abject failure 90% of them would be questioning and complaining about the gear.

Most people can't shoot well enough to notice a 1-2 tenth shift, but everybody thinks they can.

Every guy who pulled a shot 4 tenths left on the final stage with the match on the line will convince themselves it was an equipment failure long before they admit their nerves got to them.

Junk scopes fail constantly, and guys using scopes that fail drop evals win matches left and right. Both are true.

For hunting, yes it's mandatory to have a scope that doesn't move. For PRS, $2k on ammo will buy you way more points than $2k on a scope.

I had junk scopes that failed constantly. And shot a lot. Nothing clicked until I got a reliable rifle that I gained confidence in it. True you cannot just buy points, but you also cannot be competitive if your scope isn’t working.

If I could go back. I would have been better off getting something reliable (didn’t necessarily have to be an ATACR) than trying to figure it out with a wandering zero and tracking issues.

But yea some amount of skill is also needed and I would tend to agree at some matches, like NRL with bigger targets that a lot of misses are not caused by the rifle system. But in PRs, where a decent size target is 1.5moa, a rifle that can’t reliably keep a consistent zero and velocity throughout the match is downright frustrating.
The field is so competitive today because everyone has decent gear s d rifles that shoot great . That just wasn’t the norm years ago.

 

[alexnelon]

but you also cannot be competitive if your scope isn’t working.

and yet Leupold, Kahles, and Vortex are on every podium.

Why are mid-pack and below shooters unable to be competitive because their scopes don't hold zero, but the top shooters are winning with scopes that don't hold zero?

If a scope breaks that's one thing. But a scope that tracks fairly consistently (not even accurately) and zero moves a tenth up and two tenths right over the course of a match isn't costing anyone a Golden Bullet.

 

[Lawnboi]

and yet Leupold, Kahles, and Vortex are on every podium.

Why are mid-pack and below shooters unable to be competitive because their scopes don't hold zero, but the top shooters are winning with scopes that don't hold zero?

If a scope breaks that's one thing. But a scope that tracks fairly consistently (not even accurately) and zero moves a tenth up and two tenths right over the course of a match isn't costing anyone a Golden Bullet.

Because PRS and nrl isn’t very demanding on a scope; and those guys are using decent scopes. They are also seeing their shot and adjusting when needed in real time.

I see plenty of low tier scopes on people rifles at one day matches and see lots of data and rifle issues. It’s common for new shooters without reliable equipment. Iv experienced that frustration.

I understand that it’s not passing the rokslide drop test, but most guys that are competitive (say hitting 80ish % regularly) are not using cheap equipment. They are using scopes that probably are not losing zero going from the barricade to their stroller or for a 100 yard walk to the next stage.


For that reason I still think that a reliable setup is something even a comp shooter should strive to have, because it makes it much easier to actually learn what is you and what may be a downfall in your equipment.