ok, first off i absolutely love my new Tib pants for Texas summer scouting and hiking. They are tough, super breathable and just what I needed. Warning, these do not fit like the Attack pants. They do run a bit small, but doable. Just don't want to have to pay to ship them back on my own dollar. My most recent issue with them was when I forgot I had the 1850 on backorder because it was literally months, and all of a sudden I got a notice that the pack was shipped. Really nothing I could do then, so I figured I would like to check it out anyway. Pack arrived without my belt pockets. I called my guy and said what up man, no belt pockets....He said they are already sold out and will send them as soon as they get in. Strike one...Did not settle well with me, especially since i made sure to get everything I needed. Then, i realized the 1850 icon Pro was waaaay to small for my needs. I was hoping it would work, but there is no way. SO I called my guy up and said I would like to switch out bags and send the 1850 back and upgrade to the 3200 which was still in stock at the time. He replied sorry, we cant do it that way for inventory purposes. I must send the entire pack back and they would send a 3200 out when they receive my whole pack. This was crazy!! Strike 2 kuiu!! You are making me spend $30 dollars to upgrade a pack when I should be able to roll up the new 1850 which would cost me $5 dollars to send, and they then send me the 3200. After a few calls back and forth and there was just no give, Strike 3 kuiu!! I sent the entire pack back for a refund(which cost me $30bucks) and getting my EXO pack delivered as I type. So they actually did me a favor, I ended up with the pack I've wanted all along after months of reviewing packs. So, yeah, bummed in a way, but I still like their clothing line. I've decided to ignore all their product live shows, constantly looking at status orders and when they have stock, then get it, if not, oh well.