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I prefer no AI what part of that don’t you get. Your Avatar pretty much demonstrates our kids on today’s technology.

You can prefer whatever you want, but it ain’t gonna happen.

If parents don’t have the brains or discipline to not hand a toddler a smartphone to keep him busy so they can stare at their own phone and ignore the kid, that’s not Apple’s fault.
 
You can prefer whatever you want, but it ain’t gonna happen.

If parents don’t have the brains or discipline to not hand a toddler a smartphone to keep him busy so they can stare at their own phone and ignore the kid, that’s not Apple’s fault.
And you can prefer what you want, facts are it’s happening and it’s made America fat and lazy. Also there’s plenty of statistically information to support it not propaganda.
 
I prefer no AI what part of that don’t you get. Your Avatar pretty much demonstrates our kids on today’s technology.

I was just giving my opinion how to best address things. People should do what they feel is best. Hey show up with signs or do a performance art piece during your comment time. It would not be the first time a public outcry stopped a project. Like I said it in my posts, I think if the site they are talking about now does not work out for public opinion or technical reasons, they are going to move to an alternate site. I don't think it's a case of throwing their hands in the air and say "welp we tried but they brought signs to the meeting". It seems like the military has some interest in a data center in this rough geograpahical region. Additionally, the amount of investment and things like that mean a lot of these companies have a legal obligation to make good faith efforts to deliver on the projects and promises they have made. People can not like that, but I think its the reality.
 
I was just giving my opinion how to best address things. People should do what they feel is best. Hey show up with signs or do a performance art piece during your comment time. It would not be the first time a public outcry stopped a project. Like I said it in my posts, I think if the site they are talking about now does not work out for public opinion or technical reasons, they are going to move to an alternate site. I don't think it's a case of throwing their hands in the air and say "welp we tried but they brought signs to the meeting". It seems like the military has some interest in a data center in this rough geograpahical region. Additionally, the amount of investment and things like that mean a lot of these companies have a legal obligation to make good faith efforts to deliver on the projects and promises they have made. People can not like that, but I think its the reality.
They can move it to China for all I care.
 
But guys if we don't build these massive centers where will we store all the clickbait trash videos on youtube and tiktok?
the western public land hunting community is just as guilty as everyone else for the proliferation of these data centers. All these mapping apps we all use as crucial navigational tools are very data intensive.
 
the western public land hunting community is just as guilty as everyone else for the proliferation of these data centers. All these mapping apps we all use as crucial navigational tools are very data intensive.
Probably a more minor contribution to the problem than most, but strictly speaking you aren't wrong.
 
the western public land hunting community is just as guilty as everyone else for the proliferation of these data centers. All these mapping apps we all use as crucial navigational tools are very data intensive.
I’ve hunted for 45 years without a mapping app. Somehow I’ve managed to harvest game deep in the backcountry and locate my truck afterwards, that’s amazing 🤩.
 
My little town of 1200 people in West Central Iowa has a Bitcoin datacenter. It is a fraction of the size of the propsed DC in this discussion. The property was purchased from a now-defunct cooperative, and after the grain bins, legs, etc..., were torn down, it occupies the same space. It provides high paying jobs (for this area) to around a dozen full timers and seasonal jobs for high school and college kids in the summer.

Des Moines and surrounding suburbs have some huge datacenters as well, and the area was attractive to owners due to low utility costs and state incentives. The Meta center in altoona is humongous. Here are some stats from their homepage FWIW.

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On a separate but similar note, the arguments against these DC are very interesting as they are similar to the failed arguments used to try to prevent ethanol plant construction. Ethanol plants also consume a tremendous amount of water from local aquifers and then dump a tremendous amount of water "cleaner than when it was extracted" back into local waterways. Ethanol plants also require a huge amount of energy. The dependence on corn as a raw material continues to drive environmental devastation in the midwest including soil erosion, nutrient and chemical runoff, and most notably for people on this forum, massive habitat loss. Then there are the dramatic cancer rates in Iowa and elsewhere...

Most recently "carbon capture" pipelines are the next evolution of the ethanol industry with a private entity pushing legislators in Iowa to allow use of imminent domain for their carbon capture pipeline corridors. The new product "low carbon ethanol" is in demand internationally and demands a premium (more profit) for these private companies.

On the flipside, similar to these DCs, ethanol plant construction creates investment in local communities during construction and afterwards, provides some price relief at the gas pump, and also provide dozens of permanent good paying jobs to locals.

The same arguments can be made for the mining projects that have been discussed on this forum.

There are consequences to technical innovation, and as consumers of these technologies, we have some control over proliferation. If you don't like ethanol, use regular gas and suffer the higher price at the pump. If you don't like mining, stop using electricity and ditch your consumer electronics. If you don't like DCs, stop using the internet and social media, including this forum. We are our own worst enemies, and instead of making our own personal lifestyle changes, most folks just complain about it. Human nature...
I appreciate your well thought out and well written post.
My only issue with the idea of “just don’t use it” is that these industries are heavily subsidized by tax dollars (our money) and once they are in place they become the too big to fail problem again.
Which raises the question, is this the best thing we should be doing to elevate our society? Is there a better way to do things? Should this be a viable option at all or is this only going to benefit the elite and Wall Street at the end of the day?
In regards to ethanol, I think it is a net loss on our nation.
 
Has anyone here read “The Industrial Revolution and its consequences”?
Maybe a good time to read it if you’re anti tech and anti AI data center.
when I google that most of the results point to the Unabomber manifesto.

Is there a specific title and author you're referring to?

I read a ton of audiobooks on a fairly wide variety of topics, and not always just stuff that fits neatly into my worldview.
 
when I google that most of the results point to the Unabomber manifesto.

Is there a specific title and author you're referring to?

I read a ton of audiobooks on a fairly wide variety of topics, and not always just stuff that fits neatly into my worldview.
That is it.

His methods and the death of innocent people are absolutely un-defensible. However, there are some ideas in there that are worthy of consideration in the larger context of technology and "should we or should we not" discussion that the data centers are about.
 
That is it.

His methods and the death of innocent people are absolutely un-defensible. However, there are some ideas in there that are worthy of consideration in the larger context of technology and "should we or should we not" discussion that the data centers are about.

I’ve definitely heard this about the Unabomber Manifesto from a vast range of people over the years, though I’ve never actually taken the time to read it. May put it on the list.
 
That is it.

His methods and the death of innocent people are absolutely un-defensible. However, there are some ideas in there that are worthy of consideration in the larger context of technology and "should we or should we not" discussion that the data centers are about.

Ironically, the book is currently $1.99 on Kindle, which relies on data centers…..
 
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