POSTING FOR AWARENESS FOR UTAH AND IDAHO RESIDENTS

[One300wsm]

Utah and Idaho residents if you don’t already know, this is what’s coming to a town near you.

What's Up With Mr. Wonderful's Utah Data Center?

'Shark Tank' star Kevin O'Leary, known as Mr. Wonderful, is looking to build a "hyperscale" facility in northwest Utah, and locals are angry.

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[Jimmy]

Report: Chinese propaganda, Singham network, foreign dark money linked to campaigns against data centers

A report alleges foreign influence from China, dark money billionaires and activist networks is fueling opposition to American AI data center projects.

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Same project? Weird times.

 

[CorbLand]

Kind of interesting that the federal government requested a billion dollars to save the Great Salt Lake and now there is a proposed data center next to it.

Do your part Utahans. Don’t water your lawn. Reduce your water use. Send more of it to the Great Salt Lake. Its survival is depending on you. What a crock of bullshit has been fed to us for the last 5 years.

 

[One300wsm]

You can’t make this shit up.

 

[Beendare]

Maybe we should go back to the horse and buggy days?

Do you really think these data centers are going to suck the Electricity and water from your area and leave you high and dry?

Those centers have a captive water system that recycles their own water. Local residents should be insisting the centers have their own power system like a small nuke.

With those 2 things in place, whats the big deal?

 

[ODB]

Maybe we should go back to the horse and buggy days?

Do you really think these data centers are going to suck the Electricity and water from your area and leave you high and dry?

Those centers have a captive water system that recycles their own water. Local residents should be insisting the centers have their own power system like a small nuke.

With those 2 things in place, whats the big deal?

Is that why Amazon built one near lake Anna in VA, the same lake that feeds the nuclear
Plant there? They are permitted to dump almost 300,000 gallons of post-use water in the lake. And they want to use eminent domain to run a power like over my cousins property.



200 Ft towers.

And if you can find any data center builder to actually listen to the local populous I’ll give you a dollar.

Idaho is already on low water usage this year for irrigation - who will get priority when it all goes south?

 

[littlebigtine]

Maybe we should go back to the horse and buggy days?

Do you really think these data centers are going to suck the Electricity and water from your area and leave you high and dry?

Those centers have a captive water system that recycles their own water. Local residents should be insisting the centers have their own power system like a small nuke.

With those 2 things in place, whats the big deal?

How much water do you think a nuclear reactor uses for cooling?

 

[Rotnguns]

Good heavens. That's almost 63 square miles. And at max draw of 9 GW, that's about what you could expect from ten 1 GW conventional nuke plants with a 0.9 lumped capacity factor including transmission. And if they're planning on generating electricity from natural gas, they'll be using combined-cycle plants with lower capacity factors - 0.65 if you're lucky. Thus, with a generous estimate of 300 MW nameplate capacity for each unit in a combined-cycle plant, you're looking at close to 50 units! That's why they need so much space.

 

[fatlander]

Is that why Amazon built one near lake Anna in VA, the same lake that feeds the nuclear
Plant there? They are permitted to dump almost 300,000 gallons of post-use water in the lake. And they want to use eminent domain to run a power like over my cousins property.

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200 Ft towers.
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And if you can find any data center builder to actually listen to the local populous I’ll give you a dollar.

Idaho is already on low water usage this year for irrigation - who will get priority when it all goes south?

They’re not pulling that water from lake Anna to cool the data center. They’re pulling off the raw water line of the county’s municipal drinking water reservoir, and piping it across county to cool the data center, then dump into lake Anna.

But to your point, yes they’re vying to use water from a reservoir that was constructed for the sole use of public drinking water. The reservoir is permitted for ~2.4 millions gallons per day of withdrawal. The county currently only uses about 1 million per day. Amazon said they’d need upwards of 7 million per day at “peak” demand. What could go wrong?


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[CorbLand]

Good heavens. That's almost 63 square miles. And at max draw of 9 GW, that's about what you could expect from ten 1 GW conventional nuke plants with a 0.9 lumped capacity factor including transmission. And if they're planning on generating electricity from natural gas, they'll be using combined-cycle plants with lower capacity factors - 0.65 if you're lucky. Thus, with a generous estimate of 300 MW nameplate capacity for each unit in a combined-cycle plant, you're looking at close to 50 units! That's why they need so much space.

As of right now, natural gas. A 7.5 gigawatt plant is proposed.

Kevin O’Leary-backed Utah data center project seeks new water right

Note to readers • This story is made possible through a partnership between The Salt Lake Tribune and Grist, a nonprofit environmental media organization.

www.cachevalleydaily.com

 

[Rotnguns]

As of right now, natural gas. A 7.5 gigawatt plant is proposed.

Kevin O’Leary-backed Utah data center project seeks new water right

Note to readers • This story is made possible through a partnership between The Salt Lake Tribune and Grist, a nonprofit environmental media organization.

www.cachevalleydaily.com

Holy smokes. A 7.5 GW combined-cycle plant would require 39 300 MW nameplate units.
Depending upon the cooling process, each of those 39 units will consume between 100 and 200 gallons of water per megawatt - at full capacity, that's up to 60 000 gallons per hour for one 300 MW unit, for 39 of the darn things, that's 2.3 million gallons an hour! And we're talking consumed water here, not returned water. And that's on top of the enormous draw from the data center itself, which if you're lucky will consume "only" 10 to 20 percent of their coolant water. HOWEVER - there could be a design in which the coolant water for the data center would be integrated into the reheat cycle of the gas plants.

 

[SouthPaw]

Holy smokes. A 7.5 GW combined-cycle plant would require 39 300 MW nameplate units.
Depending upon the cooling process, each of those 39 units will consume between 100 and 200 gallons of water per megawatt - at full capacity, that's up to 60 000 gallons per hour for one 300 MW unit, for 39 of the darn things, that's 2.3 million gallons an hour! And we're talking consumed water here, not returned water. And that's on top of the enormous draw from the data center itself, which if you're lucky will consume "only" 10 to 20 percent of their coolant water. HOWEVER - there could be a design in which the coolant water for the data center would be integrated into the reheat cycle of the gas plants.

That's assuming open recirculation/evaporative cooling for the combined cycle plants. Using ACC units, the water consumption for cooling is almost nothing. There is an efficiency tradeoff when it's super hot out, and you need a bunch of power to run the fans. The Utah project calls for closed loop air chillers being used for the direct data center cooling as well. This all saves water, but dumps insane heat to the local atmosphere.

 

[Fatcamp]

Does anyone understand what these are for and why all the sudden these massive facilities are being built everywhere?

They are basically forcing one down out throat.

The obvious concern is the use of drinking water, power usage, cost increases, tax waivers, etc.

 

[littlebigtine]

We already walk such a fine line in the west utilizing water for agriculture.

I am a proponent for food security as a priority vs so called “national security” or job security for millionaires.

not to mention the potential downstream negatives on the environment surrounding these monstrosities.

 

[One300wsm]

Maybe we should go back to the horse and buggy days?

Do you really think these data centers are going to suck the Electricity and water from your area and leave you high and dry?

Those centers have a captive water system that recycles their own water. Local residents should be insisting the centers have their own power system like a small nuke.

With those 2 things in place, whats the big deal?

No big deal they just building them to invade your privacy. Why should we be worried about that or anything for that matter. Wake the **** up they using your tax dollars to spy on you. People like you is why this country has become what it is, the taxpayers are weak and have no balls to stand up for anything but a cell phone and a Micky D’s double fuckin cheeseburger.

 

[ODB]

They’re not pulling that water from lake Anna to cool the data center. They’re pulling off the raw water line of the county’s municipal drinking water reservoir, and piping it across county to cool the data center, then dump into lake Anna.

But to your point, yes they’re vying to use water from a reservoir that was constructed for the sole use of public drinking water. The reservoir is permitted for ~2.4 millions gallons per day of withdrawal. The county currently only uses about 1 million per day. Amazon said they’d need upwards of 7 million per day at “peak” demand. What could go wrong?


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For now, yes. They just want to dump hot water in sedge creek > lake Anna. But I bet they will be pulling from the cold side of the lake before you know it. And what happens to the already warm side?

And here’s another thing - my cousin thought of making a small solar farm. The state is not your friend.

 

[NRA4LIFE]

Why in hell aren't the western states building more dams for reservoirs? As far as I can tell, the last dam built in WA was nearly 50 years ago. Oh, not to mention the 2 dozen dams that have been torn out in the last couple years.

These data centers will become commonplace. Y'all better get used to it.

 

[Rotnguns]

That's assuming open recirculation/evaporative cooling for the combined cycle plants. Using ACC units, the water consumption for cooling is almost nothing. There is an efficiency tradeoff when it's super hot out, and you need a bunch of power to run the fans. The Utah project calls for closed loop air chillers being used for the direct data center cooling as well. This all saves water, but dumps insane heat to the local atmosphere.

This is a good point - if they can get away with it, they could use air-cooled condensers. But then, your capacity factor is reduced due to the energy needed to cool the water. Might work for the cold part of the year, but certainly not in the summer. As for using ACC for their data center, I'm very skeptical that they could pull this off at scale. As you say, the heat's got to go somewhere. Just speculating here, but I wonder if some the heated water used to cool the data center could be incorporated into the reheat cycle of the plants themselves.

 

[One300wsm]

For now, yes. They just want to dump hot water in sedge creek > lake Anna. But I bet they will be pulling from the cold side of the lake before you know it. And what happens to the already warm side?

And here’s another thing - my cousin thought of making a small solar farm. The state is not your friend.

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The ******* government and billionaires aren’t your friend. They just give you a little taste so you’re happy when they stick you up the .

 

[Fatcamp]

Reddit is in fire with this discussion.

I thought this was a pretty fair assessment after reading a bit:

Let's separate 2 things.

1. Why they are built? Because there is demand for them. For both AI and non-AI uses. Everything is now digitalized and compute cloud infrastructure is now critical civilizational infrastructure with constant need for growth, regardless if we like it or not.
2. Why they are pushed the way they are? Simple: when business needs something it tries to achieve it in the most cost efficient way possible disregarding everything and everyone needs that will be affected in the process. It is not new to datacenters, it was always that way: factories that release harmful chemicals into water, using public water to their needs, abusing power grids and bribing politicians to approve what should not be approved. There is nothing new, today its datacenter, yesterday it was factory or power plant, tomorrow it will be something else.