Post Liberty debacle

[Jmort1754]

What safe would you buy ?

 

[Wrench]

Whatever you choose, know that having the safe in a corner with the door hinge away fron a wall makes prying more difficult. A wall, especially block or concrete will make them take more time and offer some fire protection.....and all safes are 10 minutes tops to get in with a grinder.

 

[Customweld]

Whatever you choose, know that having the safe in a corner with the door hinge away fron a wall makes prying more difficult. A wall, especially block or concrete will make them take more time and offer some fire protection.....and all safes are 10 minutes tops to get in with a grinder.

Great points. Also keep in mind that almost all safe companies use the same lock manufacturer. Sargent and Greenleaf. So Liberty having a master code is not unique to them.

 

[intunegp]

I just moved and I'm considering a Rhino Ironworks with a mechanical dial lock. Rhino made a statement that they will never give out backup codes or combinations to law enforcement without a specific court order requiring them to comply with a specific case. Additionally, once you chance the combination of a mechanical lock, I don't know that there is a backup/master code that would allow access.

I understand that a hidden/safe room is the most secure, but that isn't in the cards right now. I also understand that if they want access, they're just going to destroy the safe and get in whether they have the combination or not.

 

[yfarm]

Dispersal not centralization. Only a problem if you are afflicted with CRS.

 

[Weldor]

I remember the days of seeing a monsterous Browning safe in a few friends living rooms, thought they looked menacing and cool. Before that it was fancy wood gun cabinets. Now here we are talking about how easy it is to get into a safe. Times have sure changed.

 

[Customweld]

I remember the days of seeing a monsterous Browning safe in a few friends living rooms, thought they looked menacing and cool. Before that it was fancy wood gun cabinets. Now here we are talking about how easy it is to get into a safe. Times have sure changed.

Curious times for sure.

 

[TxLite]

I just moved and I'm considering a Rhino Ironworks with a mechanical dial lock. Rhino made a statement that they will never give out backup codes or combinations to law enforcement without a specific court order requiring them to comply with a specific case. Additionally, once you chance the combination of a mechanical lock, I don't know that there is a backup/master code that would allow access.

I remember looking at the Rhinos a few years ago and always liked the way they looked. They are fairly thick too.

 

[Marbles]

If you are worried about the lock, retrofit the safe with a Kaba Mas X-10.

For a safe, get a Brown, AMSEC, or Graffunder.

Or, don't worry about it. Liberty makes over priced toys anyway (along with most companies that sell "gun safes").

 

[TxLite]

I’d check out the stack on total defense if you live in an area frequented by hurricanes or otherwise have flooding potential. The total defense is rated for being waterproof in 2’ of standing water for 72 hours. They are offered in manual and digital locks.

 

[OKHunter84]

I have a Steelwater, really awesome fire rating and they're not crazy expensive. Only downside about high fire ratings are they are pretty freaking heavy if you end up needing to move it. Ask me how I know

 

[BigDog00]

I don't know all the details, but it seems like a pretty unfortunate situation. I would assume there was a search warrant involved and the safe would be opened regardless of Liberty's involvement. A manuel lock would solve this problem.

 

[TheTone]

Would it have been better if they removed the safe from the house and torched it open?

 

[Team4LongGun]

I don't know all the details, but it seems like a pretty unfortunate situation. I would assume there was a search warrant involved and the safe would be opened regardless of Liberty's involvement. A manuel lock would solve this problem.

The other thread has a discussion on this. Keep this thread on topic.

 

[Team4LongGun]

If you are worried about the lock, retrofit the safe with a Kaba Mas X-10.

For a safe, get a Brown, AMSEC, or Graffunder.

Or, don't worry about it. Liberty makes over priced toys anyway (along with most companies that sell "gun safes").

Do any of the locks you mentioned work on an electronic keypad lock?

 

[Thinkingman]

I have a Steelwater, really awesome fire rating and they're not crazy expensive. Only downside about high fire ratings are they are pretty freaking heavy if you end up needing to move it. Ask me how I know

Fire rating is another way of charging you for a sheet of drywall.

 

[Marbles]

Do any of the locks you mentioned work on an electronic keypad lock?

The Kaba Mas X-10 is an electronic dial. It is used to secure SCIFs (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, i.e., secures compartments storing information the disclosure of which would cause exceptionally grave damage to national security) there is no factory reset back door. If you forget the combination, forced entry is the only option (as it should be).

The others are safe manufacturers with products that make forced entry harder.

 

[Marbles]

Fire rating is another way of charging you for a sheet of drywall.

True fire rating is achieved with fire cement, the dry wall is another example of manufacturers happily ripping people off with BS.

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

Sturdy Safe. Thick steel, not thin sheets.

 

[Moto_917]

As others have said in the other Liberty thread… a lock on a gun safe is only going to slow someone down. All Liberty did by providing a combo was save the FBI time instead of making them force entry. I can tell with with 100% certainty that the feds would have been in that safe in less than an hour either way. A set of irons and/or a cordless grinder with a skinny wheel will get you into a safe surprisingly quick.

With that being said, I’ll be retrofitting my safe with an analog lock that only I will have the combo for. I definitely wouldn’t be giving Liberty any of my money if I was in the market for a new safe, that’s for damn sure.