Poachers caught on video

[AK Troutbum]

Talk about piece of crap scum bags.. hard to believe people like this exist. I truly don't think I've known anyone capable of this. Where do these people come from anyway??

I believe that these particular POS came from Wasilla.

 

[MuleyFever]

I heard about it, don't care to watch it. Poachers like these should lose all rights to hunt ever again. It was not an accident. This kind of behavior should be unacceptable to everyone, especially the judge and jury.

 

[Sadler]

I saw this video on Facebook yesterday and according to the video, the state allows this type of hunting in other areas. Maybe that’s why they didn’t get the book thrown at them. They most likely looked at it as illegally harvesting a bear and her cubs by a legal method of take? I don’t know. Pretty jacked up either way.

 

[Vandal 44]

I for one can't believe that taking a bear while hibernating would be legal in any state, if that is the case then some regulation need to be changed. Someone would have to give me a solid reason for taking a hibernating bear. Hunter safety class isn't going to do any good foe these two jackasses.

 

[bridgerbenson]

In reading through this post, there’s one thing that turns my stomach more than the actions of the poachers, and that is some of the comments from fellow hunters. There is no question the poachers actions are morally, ethically, legally wrong. But calling for ridiculous measures (lock them up forever and throw away the key, hope they get the same treatment someday, hope they get shanked) sounds an awful lot like the extreme liberal animal rights activists who put more value on animal lives than human life.

As I try to reason my way through some of the comments and thought process, it goes like this:
We’re looking at a sow and baby bears, shot in their den, out of season. Again, morally, ethically, legally wrong in my opinion.

But let’s break it down, sow and baby bears. I’m sure I can count out that this is all just from them being fuzzy cuddly bears, the same ones that the antis send death threats about the hunting of.
If it’s for killing the babies, do we call for the lives of people who harvest deer fawns, elk calves, shoot young prairie dogs etc? I won’t even ask what to do with people killing human babies (abortion).

So then we’re at the shot in the den part. Again, not cool, but do we also condone those who shoot deer, elk, coyotes etc in their beds from 1000 yds away? Or trapping muskrats, raccoons, beaver, badgers in their dens?

So if it’s not that they are fuzzy cuddly bears, young, in their den, then we are down to the legal aspect. Calling for life sentences, shanking, shooting of poachers is pretty harsh isn’t it?

Obviously a lot of the examples are not apples to apples, but we as a hunting community need to keep reason and common sense in mind while posting on social media. The antis could misconstrue and use a lot of these comments against us. I felt like I was accidentally on an animal rights website while reading some of the comments.


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[lif]

In reading through this post, there’s one thing that turns my stomach more than the actions of the poachers, and that is some of the comments from fellow hunters. There is no question the poachers actions are morally, ethically, legally wrong. But calling for ridiculous measures (lock them up forever and throw away the key, hope they get the same treatment someday, hope they get shanked) sounds an awful lot like the extreme liberal animal rights activists who put more value on animal lives than human life.

As I try to reason my way through some of the comments and thought process, it goes like this:
We’re looking at a sow and baby bears, shot in their den, out of season. Again, morally, ethically, legally wrong in my opinion.

But let’s break it down, sow and baby bears. I’m sure I can count out that this is all just from them being fuzzy cuddly bears, the same ones that the antis send death threats about the hunting of.
If it’s for killing the babies, do we call for the lives of people who harvest deer fawns, elk calves, shoot young prairie dogs etc? I won’t even ask what to do with people killing human babies (abortion).

So then we’re at the shot in the den part. Again, not cool, but do we also condone those who shoot deer, elk, coyotes etc in their beds from 1000 yds away? Or trapping muskrats, raccoons, beaver, badgers in their dens?

So if it’s not that they are fuzzy cuddly bears, young, in their den, then we are down to the legal aspect. Calling for life sentences, shanking, shooting of poachers is pretty harsh isn’t it?

Obviously a lot of the examples are not apples to apples, but we as a hunting community need to keep reason and common sense in mind while posting on social media. The antis could misconstrue and use a lot of these comments against us. I felt like I was accidentally on an animal rights website while reading some of the comments.


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I here you on the surface of your sentiments. I am also a person that is generally more rational than the next, butttt........
This isn’t just a video of a couple guys poaching a bear. Listen to there comments, consider where they are and what they are thinking that time of year. How about coming back to cover it up. Death for them? Maybe not. Felony with no chance of hunting or owning a firearm again? Absolutely. The idea you shouldn’t make a example of such blatantly shitty people is definitely not my option on this one. This isn’t some guy who wondered out to maybe get himself a winter bear. Go watch that video again. 1. Consider why they are out there on skis with a rifle. 2. Consider why they didn’t roll on to the next den that might not have cubs. 3. Consider all the comments they make in the progress of the crime. 4. Most importantly, imagine you were looking at that video and it was your face on it doing that. How would you feel about yourself? If it was me on that video doing that, saying those things, I would probably puke on my phone and put a bullet in my own head.

 

[Wrathchild]

I for one can't believe that taking a bear while hibernating would be legal in any state, if that is the case then some regulation need to be changed. Someone would have to give me a solid reason for taking a hibernating bear. Hunter safety class isn't going to do any good foe these two jackasses.

In a few very limited areas it is allowed for subsistence and predator management. ADFG is in my opinion an excellent agency, and I trust their judgement on these things.

 

[tommy8553]

not cool.

 

[Vandal 44]

Wrathchild, I am positive that ADFG does a way better job at managing fisheries and wild game than my state of Washington. Hell my grandson could do a better job at wildlife management than WDFG and he is two years old. I am all for managing predators, however, If it’s about managing predators then they should extend the season and or issue more tags.


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[Wrathchild]

Wrathchild, I am positive that ADFG does a way better job at managing fisheries and wild game than my state of Washington. Hell my grandson could do a better job at wildlife management than WDFG and he is two years old. I am all for managing predators, however, If it’s about managing predators then they should extend the season and or issue more tags.


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It’s primarily a native subsistence/traditional use practice in the interior. But yes it’s also allowed as part of predator management elsewhere. My understanding is that it’s rarely practiced outside of some of the native communities.

 

[AKDoc]

Regardless of the narrative from all of us, this example of behavior is without doubt particularly troubling. High-5'ing each other after shooting the sow and her cubs in their den and bagging the dead cubs for disposal...and then returning to the scene a day or so later to search for shell casings or other evidence.

All of that was troubling enough...then we learn that it was a father and son together...and then we hear the "sentencing".

Yup...this one is extraordinarily offensive.

 

[Azone]

Wow.......humanity is falling apart.

These F'n idiots along with the drunk, sign shooting crowd and the let's take my quad four miles into the wilderness and spin donuts and tare shit up will be the downfall for everyone trying to do things right.

Do I think they should be shot or mutilated? No. That would be sinking to their level.

Watching them get shot with a can of bear spray, yeah I would allow that and probably laugh at it, a bit disturbing....maybe but Im not gonna loose sleep over it.
But I do believe they should have spent a year or two behind bars. Being that disrespectful and disgusting towards wildlife should have earned them automatic lifetime revocation of all hunting privileges everywhere.

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

I think the sentencing was pretty fair. They lost a 22 foot boat, a 2012 GMC truck, a rifle, a handgun, their skis, and $9,000 on top of the jail sentence and 10 years and 2 years hunting prohibition.

The dad had a bear tag. Bears were in season. They lied about who killed the sow. Shooting either sex of bear in there den is legal. Shooting cubs or sows with cubs is not.

If they were to lose hunting privileges for life, what would stop them from becoming serial poachers?

 

[Ryan Avery]

They should never be allowed to hunt again!

Complete trash in my mind!

 

[Mike7]

Yeah, I think they start poaching if you give them no way to return to legal hunting.

In college, I worked on a logging crew where at least a third of the guys were not unlike this. I drove the crew to the mountain at 5AM every morning only because I was the only one insured to drive the boss's rig. None of them had driver's licenses because of DUI's, etc. And they didn't care. Getting caught driving to work without a license was a slap on the wrist for them. You take away their own truck though, and that is another story.

Every week there was always at least 1 guy that I had to help get out of the motel room and into the truck, because they were hung over from getting back from the bar or brothel just 2 hrs prior.

I only stayed at that job, because I needed the money and our yarder operator who held my life in his hands was the only one who was sober and safe all the time.

 

[mtmuley]

In a few very limited areas it is allowed for subsistence and predator management. ADFG is in my opinion an excellent agency, and I trust their judgement on these things.

From what I can gather, they do the same, or worse. mtmuley

 

[SHTF]

Yeah that's beyond sick. What I found Ironic though is how stupid they are to get caught on Video doing this and the brother saying they will never be able to trace it back to us. Wow. They take the cake of the dumbest poacher of all times. They should of gotten many years in Prison for this senseless killing. The poor cubs screaming was heartbreaking.

 

[307]

Can't believe taking a bear in a den is legal due to the inability for the person to tell whether there are cubs present or not. After you kill a bear and discover the cubs, you either leave them to starve or break another law to do the possibly more humane thing??? Bad situation.

Lying and covering up likely increased the sentence more than anything. I completely understand that they broke a law, and then made the situation WAY worse in breaking more laws to try to cover it up...

This thread is sort of surreal. Would any of us shoot an elk calf? Even using the term "baby bears" vs cubs strikes me as peculiar. Anybody "high 5" a hunting partner after a successful shot? Ever been videoed on a game cam without your knowledge?

Not defending all of their actions by any means, but some of the comments here sound like they're coming from anti-hunters.

 

[307]

Yeah that's beyond sick. What I found Ironic though is how stupid they are to get caught on Video doing this and the brother saying they will never be able to trace it back to us. Wow. They take the cake of the dumbest poacher of all times. They should of gotten many years in Prison for this senseless killing. The poor cubs screaming was heartbreaking.

This reads like a post on the HSUS or PETA website.

 

[mtmuley]

This reads like a post on the HSUS or PETA website.

And how would you know that? mtmuley