Please Help Bring a LR rifle guy back to speed

[wapitibob]

I have never shot a Bull beyond 35 yards in over 40 years. If the objective is to get close, a single 30 pin will be just fine. If your hunting style is such that you may walk into a feeding bull at 60 and you're comfortable with that, a slider will still work but I'd be sliding it. Your old gear is fine as well. I'm shooting 56# this year with an old Hoyt Alpha Max 35. I use a single pin set at 30. Your hunting style and area vegetation will come into play when determining where to set it.

 

[Broz]

I have never shot a Bull beyond 35 yards in over 40 years. If the objective is to get close, a single 30 pin will be just fine. If your hunting style is such that you may walk into a feeding bull at 60 and you're comfortable with that, a slider will still work but I'd be sliding it. Your old gear is fine as well. I'm shooting 56# this year with an old Hoyt Alpha Max 35. I use a single pin set at 30. Your hunting style and area vegetation will come into play when determining where to set it.

Yes Sir, I do want a slider. For practice mainly or to stretch that not so likely shot at the end of my comfort zone. I am leaning towards a 3 pin set at 20, 30 or 35 and 40. Then slide from there if ever needed. Or a single pin, and shoot it from 20 to 30 and slide it from there.

Jeff

 

[wapitibob]

You'll be fine young fella, have fun.

 

[elkguide]

Multi pin shooter here. 5 pin set at 20, 30, 40, 50, 60. Farthest that I have ever shot an elk was 38 yards but I practice to 60. I shoot 60 pounds with a 28.5" draw length.

Tip something over and make it leak!

 

[Broz]

This is really turning into a pleasurable venture. Like with anything the preparation is the most enjoyable. You all have been great and I am now looking at the posibility of an upgrade to a newer bow. Just to see if I could shoot something newer even better. Reminds me of an old joke. "What id the monkey say when he pizzed on the cash register?" " This could run in to a lot of money"

Thanks Again

Jeff

 

[IChaseCoues]

I am in a similar situation starting archery again after beginning in the precision rifle world for a while. My choice was a TT option with the 8 pin housing, 3 fixed pins and one slider. It is so far working like I wanted but haven't hunted with it yet. I got 30, 40, 50, and 60 pins and the 60 can be dialed for shorter or longer ranges. Seems like the best of both types of sights in one.

As an lr guy you are trained to return your scope to zero after the shot so that shouldn't be hard to remember!

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[Broz]

What do you guys think of this set up?

2016 BowTech Boss
Trophy Taker Option 6 sight
Trophy Taker Quivilizer quiver
Trophy Taker smack down pro rest
Wolf Release
18 Victory Vap .166 Elite 300 Spine Aligned 75-90 V1 arrows
8 Slick Trick 100 gr 1 1/8th broad heads

 

[elkbowkevin]

The BOSS is a great bow. Thats a good set up right there. A good forgiving bow, plenty of speed potential and the arrows are top notch.

Cannot go wrong with that set up at all.

 

[Broz]

The BOSS is a great bow. Thats a good set up right there. A good forgiving bow, plenty of speed potential and the arrows are top notch.

Cannot go wrong with that set up at all.

I am 6'2" tall with a 29" draw. Would you take a Boss over a BT-X ?

 

[kupper]

I just spent the past 3 days pouring over pretty much everything you and Sam have written on long range. I have did this because archery has been my main focus and Ive neglected my rifle skills, well now i'm in a position to return the favor and share my knowledge. chalk up my lack of posts and newly created account as having been too busy spending time slinging arrows and testing several setups. The boss is a great bow and has a longer ata length which makes it slightly more stable when shooting (think effort required to hold a broom in the center and move it side to side vs a pencil) , it will also have a better string angle for your 29 inch draw than the btx at 31in ata meaning more natural head positioning. Even with the boss in the comfort setting it will still outperform your current setup with more speed and likely less noise and felt vibration also. as far as a sight is concerned Ive ran several different ones from trophy taker, HHA, MBG, and axcel. id support the sight made in your home state (even though i think the axcel is a touch better). I think you would be better off with a single pin than a multple pin or even a multi pin slider. its exactly the same as dialing for elevation vs using your ret. with a single pin your focus will remain on the exact center and you have no clutter, you are also less likely to make the mistake of using the wrong pin. with multiple pins its like using mils for all your hold overs and a multiple pin slider is like dialing but only having your 3rd mil being correct. I set my sight on 30 and use a small dab of paint to mark 50 yards on the vertical post for a quick reference if an animal moves or i don't have time to dial. shot placement and momentum kill elk and 60 pounds will more than suffice. I would lean more toward a heavier arrow with slightly less speed than going light to pick up the extra speed.

 

[Broz]

It is great we can offer experience and help each other out. I appreciate the returned help and glad some of my posts have been of help to others. I stumbled on to this package by accident. I have an appointment to get it adjusted for me and a peep installed and will shoot it tonight. I have it on trial till I shoot it and see if I like it.

The new bows arrows are heavier @ 415 grains with broad heads. Being a guy that only shoots big bullets I like that LOL.

The Trophy Taker Option 6 sight that is on this Boss has the option to swing all pins out of sight except for the slider. Then only the slider pin moves inside the housing. Not the whole housing. Dont know how much of an advantage this is, but it seems to make sense to me.

With all those pins it is pretty busy in that sight window. I am thinking I could take a few pins out to clean it up. My biggest complaint about this sight is the floater pin is only .010" I believe. Then it does not have as much filament as the rest. This makes this pin extremely hard for me to see. Something has to be done there. But will hold final opinions till after I shoot this bow.

Thanks
Jeff

 

[gelton]

One other thing to consider on that setup is that you might find you will want 125 grain broadheads instead of 100. May even look into 50 grain inserts + 125 grain heads (thats what I shoot but at 70#). Kind of like 185 gr bergers vs 215's. Gives you better FOC (front of center) some swear by it and some don't believe it does squat but knowing your preferences with bullet weights you will probably want to look into it.

 

[kpk]

With all those pins it is pretty busy in that sight window. I am thinking I could take a few pins out to clean it up. My biggest complaint about this sight is the floater pin is only .010" I believe. Then it does not have as much filament as the rest. This makes this pin extremely hard for me to see. Something has to be done there. But will hold final opinions till after I shoot this bow.

Thanks
Jeff

Shoot it awhile and see if you start to adjust to multi pins. I completely understand what you're saying about a clean sight picture and thought the same thing when I started using more pins. I got used to it really fast and now shoot 5 pins and it doesn't bother me a bit. Even 6 pins in a bow sight isn't half as busy as a lot of the new long range rifle scope reticles are. Unless the pins are horizontal vs vertical?

The .010 will be a benefit if you start shooting a long ways. A .019 will start to cover a heck of a lot of target at distance. But, if you simply can't see the .010 you'll have to pick your poison.

 

[Broz]

Yes they are horizontal pins but all but the floater can be hinged out of the way. I could see the pin if it would light correctly. If I shine a light on it I see it fine. Without the light i see NO illumination most of the time.

Jeff

 

[kpk]

I'll add also if you start looking at new bows confidence is key IMO. I've owned a few bows that when I tested them out I thought Ehh, Well, it's OK, I guess I like it and eventually talked myself into buying it. Those bows - I never shot well. The ones that I've tested out and instantly thought "Hell yes, I like this!" I've shot those bows extremely well. This may not be the case for everyone but it's certainly been mine. If I didn't click with the bow it didn't matter how much tuning or practicing I did, I always fought them.

 

[Broz]

I'll add also if you start looking at new bows confidence is key IMO. I've owned a few bows that when I tested them out I thought Ehh, Well, it's OK, I guess I like it and eventually talked myself into buying it. Those bows - I never shot well. The ones that I've tested out and instantly thought "Hell yes, I like this!" I've shot those bows extremely well. This may not be the case for everyone but it's certainly been mine. If I didn't click with the bow it didn't matter how much tuning or practicing I did, I always fought them.

Yep I agree, same with a rifle for me. We either bond quickly or we don't.

Talked with Trophy Taker, they told me how to re-finish the end of the hard to see filament on the floater. Also sending me some .019 filament if I decide to go bigger. Great customer service and they are in Montana too.

Jeff

 

[theleo91386]

I'm not sure how far you're looking to shoot but the Option 6 like that you'll likely be bottoming the pin out at somewhere between 80-90 yards like what you'd get from a 7 pin sight. The smaller diameter floating pin can be dim if there's no any direct light on the filament housing. When I shoot with the fixed pins in the sight window I leave the floating pin at 80 yards. There's enough of a gap between the floating pin at 80 yards and bottom fixed pin so it doesn't feel to cluttered to me. Another way to go is that you simply put the floating pin over one of the fixed pins. For me, the floating pin not being so bright isn't that big of a deal, the situation for me to be shooting 70+ yards at game would have to be pretty much perfect. In low light situations where I can't see that pin, I have no reason to be trying to take any long shots.

The Quivilizer is a love/hate kind of thing. I love mine but I don't hunt really brushy country. If you hunt brush where you could never get away with walking around with a nocked arrow, then I'd recommend going with a Tight Spot instead.

 

[Broz]

Got the Boss all tuned in tonight. Peep located, paper tuned, Draw set, draw stop set, and pull weight backed off to a comfortable 62 bs. Sending the 415 gr arrows at 274 fps. Sighted in the 20 yard pin and shot 3 into an inch. More practice and dialing in every day from now on. I think we are bonding.

Jeff

 

[elkbowkevin]

I am 6'2" tall with a 29" draw. Would you take a Boss over a BT-X ?

I would take that BOSS over the BT-x all day every day!

 

[elkbowkevin]

Ahh, I now see you DID make a good choice.
I will be getting one of those here in a few weeks too.