Patched roundball range day

[FrontierGander]

Swiss has definitely been cleaner in my experience but I am surprised Form is having as much trouble with the goex fowling up as he has shown here. It sounds more reminiscent of my experience with schutzen. I only shoot 3f though and I would bet the 2f is dirtier.

I have never seen anyone shoot both swiss and goex and not say swiss is the superior powder. I have seen multiple say that the benefits were not worth the price difference to them, but they all admitted swiss was better and they would shoot it if price wasn't an option.

I can say that swiss in all 6 of my guns haw been by far, the worst accuracy I've ever dealt with. Nasty sticky fouling at the breech. Swiss told me to lower my charge to 20gr 2fg/3fg lol. I told them, if I shot a deer or elk with that charge, they'll just laugh at me. A terrible powder to load by volume too. Too much graphite in it, making it super slick and inconsistent in a volume measure. Sure it's powerful stuff, but the inconsistent measuring, sticky fouling, terrible accuracy. I'll never waste my money again.

 

[HighUintas]

I can say that swiss in all 6 of my guns haw been by far, the worst accuracy I've ever dealt with. Nasty sticky fouling at the breech. Swiss told me to lower my charge to 20gr 2fg/3fg lol. I told them, if I shot a deer or elk with that charge, they'll just laugh at me. A terrible powder to load by volume too. Too much graphite in it, making it super slick and inconsistent in a volume measure. Sure it's powerful stuff, but the inconsistent measuring, sticky fouling, terrible accuracy. I'll never waste my money again.

I don't believe swiss uses graphite. What evidence do you have for that claim? I have never seen anyone claim swiss is as dirty as Goex. I know that between my supply of 2f schuetzen and 2f swiss, it is similar to what his patches showed. I also get almost the same charge by volume variation between the two also. I've weighed a lot of times and didn't find any difference other than swiss being heavier for a volume charge.

 

[FrontierGander]

I don't believe swiss uses graphite. What evidence do you have for that claim? I have never seen anyone claim swiss is as dirty as Goex. I know that between my supply of 2f schuetzen and 2f swiss, it is similar to what his patches showed. I also get almost the same charge by volume variation between the two also. I've weighed a lot of times and didn't find any difference other than swiss being heavier for a volume charge.

It's on their website. Highly graphited

 

[FrontierGander]

 

[HighUintas]

It's on their website. Highly graphited

I see that now. Not sure how I've missed that before.

 

[Formidilosus]

I personally do not believe those cleaning patch results. I have a supply of swiss and it's just as filthy as goex, especially after using a damp swabbing patch. Only swiss creates a sticky fouling ring at the bottom of the breech.

Haha. Ok. Yes, I’m sure I lied about a patch with black powder.

 

[Natty]

I personally do not believe those cleaning patch results. I have a supply of swiss and it's just as filthy as goex, especially after using a damp swabbing patch. Only swiss creates a sticky fouling ring at the bottom of the breech.

Are you positive you were not shooting schuetzen? Made by same folks but blue packaging instead of red.

How much swiss have you shot? Any idea of lot #/production dates? Were the seals on the cans unbroken when you got them?

This sounds very odd to me. Everyone I shoot with prefers swiss for being cleaner and more consistent. Even the guys I compete with who at one time were advertising/promoting goex and getting it for free would fill empty cans with swiss and shoot it in competitions.

 

[FrontierGander]

Are you positive you were not shooting schuetzen? Made by same folks but blue packaging instead of red.

How much swiss have you shot? Any idea of lot #/production dates? Were the seals on the cans unbroken when you got them?

This sounds very odd to me. Everyone I shoot with prefers swiss for being cleaner and more consistent. Even the guys I compete with who at one time were advertising/promoting goex and getting it for free would fill empty cans with swiss and shoot it in competitions.

Positive it's swiss. It's the only real BP that leaves sticky fouling at the breech. I'll take to get lot #s when I get home. It's definitely not as clean as folks like to say it is.

 

[StorMay05]

No finishing. Was a quick ship “will go out next week”….. 9 weeks ago.

Sounds like it got quick shipped to someone else or misplaced.

It only took Kibler 2 weeks to get my Colonial kit to my door.

 

[Formidilosus]

Sounds like it got quick shipped to someone else or misplaced.

It only took Kibler 2 weeks to get my Colonial kit to my door.

Nope. Can’t even get consistent response from Kibler. It’s weird.

 

[HighUintas]

Nope. Can’t even get consistent response from Kibler. It’s weird.

You got the lock paid for? I know they bill that separately, but I wouldn't think you'd miss that part.

Probably all those Hawkens going out the door gumming up the works.

Post something on the muzzleloader forum about it and I'm sure Mr Kibler himself will respond and hopefully get you fixed up. He can't let the brand name tarnish

 

[Formidilosus]

You got the lock paid for? I know they bill that separately, but I wouldn't think you'd miss that part.

Everything is paid for.

Probably all those Hawkens going out the door gumming up the works.

Post something on the muzzleloader forum about it and I'm sure Mr Kibler himself will respond and hopefully get you fixed up. He can't let the brand name tarnish

I’m not actually mad about it, just a little weird given the glowing CS reviews they get.

 

[Taco John]

Everything is paid for.






I’m not actually mad about it, just a little weird given the glowing CS reviews they get.

SOLD - Pending funds - 54 caliber Flintlock - Additional better pics in comments

54 caliber Dickert inspired rifle. 36” 15/16” barrel with a 1-66 twist from TOTW. L&R Dickert lock, Davis set triggers, cm3 maple stock finished in all steel that’s been French greyed nicely. 14” LOP. The shorter 15/16” barrel really lends to a fast handling rifle and easier mobility in the...

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[Formidilosus]

SOLD - Pending funds - 54 caliber Flintlock - Additional better pics in comments

54 caliber Dickert inspired rifle. 36” 15/16” barrel with a 1-66 twist from TOTW. L&R Dickert lock, Davis set triggers, cm3 maple stock finished in all steel that’s been French greyed nicely. 14” LOP. The shorter 15/16” barrel really lends to a fast handling rifle and easier mobility in the...

www.muzzleloadingforum.com

That’s a nice rifle, but not wanting a 54cal. If it were an Edward Marshall….

 

[HighUintas]

I’m not actually mad about it, just a little weird given the glowing CS reviews they get.

Definitely weird then. I didn't mean to raise a fuss, but just making an inquiry on there he'll most likely respond and probably get you fixed up.

 

[HighUintas]

I'm getting my eye jelly sucked out tomorrow. Hopefully I'm shooting again within a few weeks or months and can put up some embarrassing flintlock groups

 

[Formidilosus]

Definitely weird then. I didn't mean to raise a fuss, but just making an inquiry on there he'll most likely respond and probably get you fixed up.

Oh no, I appreciate it. I’m kind of just curious how bad it will get before Bree responds and/or ships it.

 

[Taco John]

I like the .54 because its a little bigger.

After reading too many books about the western fur trade I learned that the avg caliber used by the mtn men was .53

Basically the evolved compromise between the size of ammo, and the quantity of ammo that was practical to carry.

Big enough for buffalo, and enraged natives, but small enough to get the most shots out of a pound of lead.


If it was good enough for them to trust their lives, and livelihoods to, then thats good enough for me.

 

[mtnbound]

Positive it's swiss. It's the only real BP that leaves sticky fouling at the breech. I'll take to get lot #s when I get home. It's definitely not as clean as folks like to say it is.

That's weird in my experience. Goex is dirty as hell, that's why I stopped using it. Swiss has been significantly cleaner.

 

[mtnbound]

I like the .54 because its a little bigger.

After reading too many books about the western fur trade I learned that the avg caliber used by the mtn men was .53

Basically the evolved compromise between the size of ammo, and the quantity of ammo that was practical to carry.

Big enough for buffalo, and enraged natives, but small enough to get the most shots out of a pound of lead.


If it was good enough for them to trust their lives, and livelihoods to, then thats good enough for me.

My favorite is the 54, but I also love shooting my 58.