Opinion time... Problem or...?

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Quick example of my last outing.

Took my son out for first hog hunt a couple weekends ago... Public land of coarse and upon arrival to camp I immediately see trash. So I start picking it up, mind you this is in the middle of a couple thousand acres of brush, not an established campsite with trash service.
First was a plastic water bottle, then a coors light can, then another... how do you know that Hmongs were to blame u ask? The next few bushes we dug through ended up having empty cans of "white goard juice", coconut husks and a nearly full gallon of used motor oil stashed in them. Not the kind of reminance left behind by other ethnic hunting groups.

That's just my most recent example of the problem. The next problem I faced was trying to explain what we were seeing to my young son.
We took more of their trash home at the end of the trip than we did our own. Luckily the plastic oil jug had not sunrotted or spilled there.

How do I explain this situation to a new hunter? Or nonhunter?
Without giving myself the lable of racist or or a black eye to the hunting community.
Easy, you show your son (the new hunter or non hunter) that you're picking up the trash because it's the right thing to do and the forest needs protection from people that don't treat it right.

What you don't do is say "xxx race/ethnicity" is ruining our lands.

The problem with your original post is that you said "xxx race/ethnicity" is a problem with hunting in California, not "whatever the problem is" is the problem with hunting in California. It doesn't matter if a majority of a certain race partakes in a certain crime, lumping people together in a negative light due to race/ethnicity is wrong and has no place in America. I really hope you learn from the majority of comments on this thread and teach your children to be the best they can so that we can continue to improve on our ethics/morals in America and not set ourselves back in time when racism was reflected in laws as opposed to today where it's just reflected in some peoples opinions/views.
 
Damn it.........

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easy choice....AOC! decent bod and nothing going on upstairs what's not to love??
 
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Also remember we're not talking whitetail deer, the most abundant and widely hunted of all of North American big game species, we're talking about a declining population of Blacktails and several small subspecies of mule deer here (as well as the small game and fish.)

Secondly if u just took a quick look at the photos and made your reply, I advise you to read through my replys as the info I was attempting to open eyes to has become scattered throughout the first three pages. My fault for not better explaining what the pics represented.

To me the pics represent declining game populations, poor game management and trashed public lands. Not at all saying that anyone guy pictured is at fault or to blame for what the Hmong people represent to the rest of the hunters/fishermen here in California or for what they've been allowed to do "legally" by dfg.

But I also don't see them stepping up and sharing their side of the story in any public forum or place of discussion on the topic.

And for those who say it's the older Hmong generation that was so hard on wildlife, remember who this generation learned from.

If you've ever seen an episode of Wild Justice, remember also that's the stuff ca dfg wanted the public to see. Hidden from the public eye is the real issues that fish and wildlife face everyday.

Should we enter the black market bear gall bladder discussion?
How about Bay Area fish markets?
Markets not particularly involving any average joe hunter.

How many times is the guy running a fish poaching ring in California a white guy?

Ever see a news headline here with a line up of 8-10 white dudes mugshots and headline reading poaching ring busted?

Generally those stories of white men poaching you read about involve one man and one poor decision...

I'm again trying to open eyes to issues that have been swept under the rug by California dfg. And the public too apparently. Not an attempt to start shit, but conversations (and ultimately solutions) have to start somewhere.
So why wouldn't you post be about the severe mismanagement of game in california then? Which spoiler alert* it seems like Commiefornia seems to screw up everything they touch, not just the game laws. However what you posted is basically the equivalent of a white guy moaning about an all black football team in the 60's. There is severe Bigotry undertones in everything you have posted on this thread.
 
God forbid anyone criticize anything a non-white person does these days. The racism card can't be played fast enough. Virtue signaling, woke white people are worst offenders.

Had the OP featured a picture of a group of white guys, I'd bet my paycheck this thread's comments would be very different.
It doesn't have anything to do with being woke or liberal. I'm one of the most conservative people I know. But stating that an entire ethnicity is the problem with hunting in his area and generalizing is no different than saying "all blacks will steal your wallet"
 
So why wouldn't you post be about the severe mismanagement of game in california then? Which spoiler alert* it seems like Commiefornia seems to screw up everything they touch, not just the game laws. However what you posted is basically the equivalent of a white guy moaning about an all black football team in the 60's. There is severe Bigotry undertones in everything you have posted on this thread.

Yup. Absolute corruption reins supreme...mostly because Conservatives prefer to flee rather than stay and fight. Used to be a red state. California was won without a fight...people just surrendered and now the entire country is at risk. The Humane Society has partnered with the Fish & Game Dept and once the passed the illegally implemented MPAs here (Marine Protected Areas) the NRDC and other anti-enviros were bizerk and began a series of campaigns resulting in complete mismanagement of the state's wildlife. What California needs a statewide civil war.
 
Yup. Absolute corruption reins supreme...mostly because Conservatives prefer to flee rather than stay and fight. Used to be a red state. California was won without a fight...people just surrendered and now the entire country is at risk. The Humane Society has partnered with the Fish & Game Dept and once the passed the illegally implemented MPAs here (Marine Protected Areas) the NRDC and other anti-enviros were bizerk and began a series of campaigns resulting in complete mismanagement of the state's wildlife. What California needs a statewide civil war.
Its the main reason they are pushing so hard not to have the illegals counted in the census. They need the people that have nothing to keep pushing their commie agendas. Whats really bad is now the libtards cant afford to live there and are relocating to other states with the same beliefs. Its like they are too stupid to realize they singlehandedly caused the mess they ran from to begin with...
 
So we can agree that there's a problem here... What is it?

Racism?
Bigotry?
Just me?
The Hmongs?
California dfw?
California in general?
Trump?
Libtards?
The times we live in?
Over opinionated idiots converging on Rokslide forums?

Title reads ...problem or...?
 
So we can agree that there's a problem here... What is it?

Racism?
Bigotry?
Just me?
The Hmongs?
California dfw?
California in general?
Trump?
Libtards?
The times we live in?
Over opinionated idiots converging on Rokslide forums?

Title reads ...problem or...?
I think you have managed to cover all of the above in every one of your posts on your thread. In reality its probably the fact that a group of people are hunting in an area of public ground that you have claimed ownership of by calling it your spot and you aren't willing to adapt or accept the fact that its public ground. Only you know for sure though
 
I guess there's no hope in even trying to change the path were on since the county I live in gets a grant for the homeless. That's right, we pay you for being worthless, smoking meth and stealing other folks hard earned shit all night long.
Great policy for the future of the county and state. America!
 
I guess there's no hope in even trying to change the path were on since the county I live in gets a grant for the homeless. That's right, we pay you for being worthless, smoking meth and stealing other folks hard earned shit all night long.
Great policy for the future of the county and state. America!
And that is why i have no desire to even visit california. My family there comes here to pa to hunt. I have the benefit of the next 3 days listening to how great (crap) your great state is.
 
So we can agree that there's a problem here... What is it?

Racism?
Bigotry?
Just me?
The Hmongs?
California dfw?
California in general?
Trump?
Libtards?
The times we live in?
Over opinionated idiots converging on Rokslide forums?

Title reads ...problem or...?

You seem to have forgotten the Rockslide chapter of Antifa
 
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Ya white-tails... And doubtfully pics of public land harvests. This has nothing to do with California, Hmong or blacktails.
One thing this does bring up is the issue with our "wild" pheasant populations in California. Next to non existent when compared to the days prior to clean farming and legal pillaging.
A guys lucky to kill a wild bird here in the valley, almost feel bad when I kill one out of a ditch of planted birds.

Saw a study on one of the refuges a few years ago, gray lodge I think. Populations were so low that during mating season, birds weren't even close enough to each other to hear mating calls and no evidence of breeding took place during the study.
 
Yup. Absolute corruption reins supreme...mostly because Conservatives prefer to flee rather than stay and fight. Used to be a red state. California was won without a fight...people just surrendered and now the entire country is at risk. The Humane Society has partnered with the Fish & Game Dept and once the passed the illegally implemented MPAs here (Marine Protected Areas) the NRDC and other anti-enviros were bizerk and began a series of campaigns resulting in complete mismanagement of the state's wildlife. What California needs a statewide civil war.

At least they are doing something to save the threatened California bobcat.


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Ya white-tails... And doubtfully pics of public land harvests. This has nothing to do with California, Hmong or blacktails.
One thing this does bring up is the issue with our "wild" pheasant populations in California. Next to non existent when compared to the days prior to clean farming and legal pillaging.
A guys lucky to kill a wild bird here in the valley, almost feel bad when I kill one out of a ditch of planted birds.

Saw a study on one of the refuges a few years ago, gray lodge I think. Populations were so low that during mating season, birds weren't even close enough to each other to hear mating calls and no evidence of breeding took place during the study.
I'm still confused on what your trying to get at with this whole post. Are you saying that you're only concerned when a specific ethnic group is hunting a specific game animal?

What is your primary issue here, the hunting tactics of the Hmong, the way California manages their wildlife, the fact that some people don't follow the rules (ie, poach), or are you really saying that a certain ethnic group of people are the cause of your wildlife problems in CA?
 
Yes several of those things but I'm beginning to wonder why suddenly I'm so bothered by it after having dealt with it for years. I guess just seeing the pics of that many of them was just bothersome enough that I thought I'd share some of my experiences and see what everyone else here thinks about it. Maybe vent and rant a bit along the way. Stir the pot a bit perhapse.
 
I agree with @MeatBuck and understand the point of his post 100%. Certain ethic groups have no respect for for wildlife, our forests, waterways or any of the regulations in place to protect them for future generations. It's almost like a search and destroy mission sanctioned by DFG and nobody is supposed to say anything because they are " enriching their cultures" F that.
Although there is nothing illegal represented in those photos, I can only imagine what the campsite, trails, and area in general looked like after they left. Yes I'm going to judge every person in those pics based off my experience with the 99% I've encountered in real life. Tough shit.
There is a massive underlying politically backed issue here that has unfortunately spilled over into hunting and outdoors activities in general. It's sad to see prime hunting areas destroyed by a relatively small percentage of the hunting community.

This is not a thread that should be on Rokslide either imho....
 
Its the main reason they are pushing so hard not to have the illegals counted in the census. They need the people that have nothing to keep pushing their commie agendas. Whats really bad is now the libtards cant afford to live there and are relocating to other states with the same beliefs. Its like they are too stupid to realize they singlehandedly caused the mess they ran from to begin with...
not like they are to stupid, they really are that stupid.
 
The Hmong people in the Midwest here have a massive problem following game laws. It’s not racist or profiling it’s a fact just look at the police logs. Devils lake Nd you can go on the one shore line and there are bunches which is not a problem but then check the stringers which are hundreds over there limit and same people have been ticketed multiple times they don’t care or pay. Rods and gear confiscated just go to Walmart get a 20 dollar rod. They drive over from Minneapolis don’t buy license even. What is to bad I have met a couple good guys out fishing and they say it sucks for them as they are lumped in with the others while obeying all laws. Asking them how to fix the problem they said it all starts with in the community and is a huge up hill battle because all wildlife is viewed as food be it a walleye or a bald eagle. I have witnessed the big groups coming in and aggressively taking over spots. After the guy in Wisconsin opened up with the ak out of the deer stand it changed a lot of people’s opinion on telling them to get f’ed. Never imagined I would see such tense moments out fishing
 
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