Opinion time... Problem or...?

[MeatBuck]

Here's some screenshots from a YouTube video I watched the other day.

This is what California public land deer hunting looks like these days.

Who sees this as an issue?

Who thinks its good to see the Hmong people getting outdoors and using our public lands?

Who thinks this is out of control and simply unacceptable for... name your reason?

Let's hear your opinions about group hunting and in particular Hmong groups or "Teams" as they are calling themselves.

 

[jspradley]

Anyone hunting legally and ethically is a-ok in my book.

What is supposed to be wrong with the pictures?

 

[Jake Larsen]

Welp a group like that isn't going to be an issue for me...they aren't going where I'm going lol. If they're legal, they're OK. Not my style but then again, lots of guys including locals aren't my style. Not in California though to be fair

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[MeatBuck]

There's upwards of 30 guys hunting out of one camp!

Doesn't give the game or other hunters in the area much of a chance.

 

[Jake Larsen]

There's upwards of 30 guys hunting out of one camp!

Doesn't give the game or other hunters in the area much of a chance.

Game responds to pressure. It'll move. A camp like that can't follow. You can follow if you're you're in shape and a good hunter. A huge part of public land success even out here in MT/WY where we have it good, is learning to use hunting pressure from other guys to your advantage.

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[Poser]

1. Hunting is a huge part of their native culture.

2. I’ve seen very similar pictures from traditional Whitetail hunting camps ranging from MI to Alabama, except it’s a bunch of white dudes. Google image search of “deer camp” turned up a couple which are posted below. Probably wouldn’t be that hard to turn up a photo of Donal Trump Jr posing on an African safari with a support crew the size of a football team.

 

[jmez]

Have tags and everything is legal I don't have a problem with it.

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[amassi]

1. Hunting is a huge part of their native culture.

No it isnt
Most of them came from countries where hunting the kings game animals would have been illegal. If the monarchy got deposed it was replaced with communism where hunting and firearm ownership were illegal.

I'm friends with some of the guys from the pics in the first post, it will be interesting to get their tale on this.
The younger generation definitely has more respect for game animals and fish. But cultural pressure keeps them hunting in generational deer drives and squirrel shoots and quail collections.

The older generations were dumped here(Sacramento)after vietnam seeking asylum because they were being cleansed for being Hmong. Statistically most of the hmong in California arent even Hmong, they're laotian, vietnamese or Cambodian. After a couple hundred of them had their identity crushed with dna testing like 23&me the culture stopped using the product.

The first generation had no respect for or understanding of how game management works. There first indoctrination to hunting and fishing was right here. And what they found was a seemingly inexplicable large bounty of game, fish and crustaceans. Size limits and catch and release were, and still are very foreign concepts. My buddies still catch hell for releasing fish from uncle's and grandma's.

Racism kept them from seeking out hunting and fishing friends outside their communities and today paints them with a broad brush of being poachers etc. They are very efficient at collecting game and fish and 99% do legally.





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[MeatBuck]

There are also states that have laws limiting the numbers of hunters per group because the hunt areas do not have enough game to support that many kills. As well as safety becoming an issue. Pretty easy to have someone shot during a drive using a dozen or more guys.
California public lands don't have the deer numbers to support this style of hunting.

 

[amassi]

There are also states that have laws limiting the numbers of hunters per group because the hunt areas do not have enough game to support that many kills. As well as safety becoming an issue. Pretty easy to have someone shot during a drive using a dozen or more guys.
California public lands don't have the deer numbers to support this style of hunting.

These guy hunt a,b,d. And some c
Rarely see them in an x zone or back country

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[16Bore]

Asian Rednecks. So what?

 

[Jake Larsen]

There are also states that have laws limiting the numbers of hunters per group because the hunt areas do not have enough game to support that many kills. As well as safety becoming an issue. Pretty easy to have someone shot during a drive using a dozen or more guys.
California public lands don't have the deer numbers to support this style of hunting.

If it's a matter of the area not having the wildlife numbers to support that much game harvest, then all those guys don't have tags for the unit. Unless the game management is totally screwed up for the area. In which case its an Fish and Game issue. From the photos, there's only a couple animals being harvested though so your point is moot. Likely only a couple of the people pictured in the camp were actually out there hunting. If they were all out there tromping around together, good luck killing anything at all lol.

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[amassi]

If it's a matter of the area not having the wildlife numbers to support that much game harvest, then all those guys don't have tags for the unit. Unless the game management is totally screwed up for the area. In which case its an Fish and Game issue. From the photos, there's only a couple animals being harvested though so your point is moot. Likely only a couple of the people pictured in the camp were actually out there hunting. If they were all out there tromping around together, good luck killing anything at all lol.

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Just for some insight; what I guess the O.p is most concerned with here is the new M.O for the group of 30

6 good shooters take a shooting position on a ridge overlooking the escape route
12 ok shooters get to walk up the finger ridges
12 new guys or bad shots walk the brush shooting anything
Squirrels, quail, deer. Bear etc. Ince these guys reach the top of the ridge they'll call to the shoot team to move to fp2 once in position they make another drive.

This never seems to penetrate the second ridge because around lunch it's time to walk out and set up cook camp

It can be a tool to help funnel deer into back country... its definitely a circus to behold.


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[Jake Larsen]

Just for some insight; what I guess the O.p is most concerned with here is the new M.O for the group of 30

6 good shooters take a shooting position on a ridge overlooking the escape route
12 ok shooters get to walk up the finger ridges
12 new guys or bad shots walk the brush shooting anything
Squirrels, quail, deer. Bear etc. Ince these guys reach the top of the ridge they'll call to the shoot team to move to fp2 once in position they make another drive.

This never seems to penetrate the second ridge because around lunch it's time to walk out and set up cook camp

It can be a tool to help funnel deer into back country... its definitely a circus to behold.


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Dang. Well definitely not my style, but if everything is legal- every shooter has tags for every animal that takes a dirt nap, it's OK. It they're in your area, better move lol. And my earlier comment still applies - the animals will respond to that type of pressure. Especially older deer will leave. Go find em!

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[amassi]

Dang. Well definitely not my style, but if everything is legal- every shooter has tags for every animal that takes a dirt nap, it's OK. It they're in your area, better move lol. And my earlier comment still applies - the animals will respond to that type of pressure. Especially older deer will leave. Go find em!

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Yep
Compared to the "crowds" I saw in wyoming this year I'll trade ya

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[MuleyFever]

Just for some insight; what I guess the O.p is most concerned with here is the new M.O for the group of 30

6 good shooters take a shooting position on a ridge overlooking the escape route
12 ok shooters get to walk up the finger ridges
12 new guys or bad shots walk the brush shooting anything
Squirrels, quail, deer. Bear etc. Ince these guys reach the top of the ridge they'll call to the shoot team to move to fp2 once in position they make another drive.

This never seems to penetrate the second ridge because around lunch it's time to walk out and set up cook camp

It can be a tool to help funnel deer into back country... its definitely a circus to behold.


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You are describing a typical deer drive in the Midwest.

30 people out on a couple of tags is also a normal day on a Utah LE unit.

 

[Werty]

We need everyone we can get on our side, doesn't matter what race, or style. Without new hunters, we will lose.

 

[Jake Larsen]

Yep
Compared to the "crowds" I saw in wyoming this year I'll trade ya

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Trust me I know we have it good out here, especially in the backcountry lol. But even here, I've had many horse hunters/hiker hunters screw up some good stuff. Just have to adjust, that's what the big bucks do. They don't like being bumped either, so as long as you're fit enough to go to the hell holes they hide in, you can use it to your advantage.

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[MeatBuck]

It seems like these guys are hurting the system legally by sheer numbers of limits to be filled.
I mean If twenty guys have two b tags (for instance) and they are all hunting the same area, even if only a quarter of the tags get filled there will be next to nothing there to hunt next season.
If twenty guys go crappie fishing and keep a limit of 25 a piece from one hole, fishing a gonna be real shitty real quick.
Now think, there's dozens of these camps of twenty or more hunters and anglers per area. That's legally devastating on fish and game populations.
Some of them put videos on YouTube same day or next day a lot of times, telling where to go and what tactic to use and almost always by the next weekend that area has been taken over by these large camps.
I see it all the time now in the areas I grew up hunting and fishing and it gets to be a bit upsetting.
Often their camps are left with trash, broken chairs and twisted up canopy frames and fishing line!
Then, when the bites off or the deer have all gone nocturnal, or whatever, they're off to the next lake or zone or season to do the same things there.

 

[Jake Larsen]

And before some horse hunters jump on my back, nothing against them at all. A good hunter with a horse is unstoppable. Just a lot of horse guys in my experience won't get off the dang things and actually hunt when they need too. Seen a lot of bucks/bulls through the glass get bumped by the horse ridge riders that they never even saw.

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