onX hunt inaccurate property lines

[White Wizard]

Onx sucks. Info is way outdated and lines are often wrong. Huntstand is closer to being updated and I haven't found one line off yet. I'm in missouri. Maybe it's different elsewhere.

 

[Go Pokes]

Fences don't mean much. Hunt out west and there are many fences running through public land. Use the best tech you have to be as honest as you can. Authorities are using the same tech most of the time. Unless property lines are surveyed and on file for the update .... hunt it, cross it, jump it and shoot it. Sorry just my 2 cents. With over 3 million landlocked public acres unaccessible on private lands in Wyoming alone I'm not overly concerned with hearsay. I use my tech to the best of my ability and will continue to do so.

 

[tdhanses]

No. I haven't had it surveyed...yet. I shouldnt have to if property boundaries are already in place. So, my question to you and those asking is this, why should that matter if existing markers are in place?

How do you know the property boundaries are correct, again, old fence doesn’t count in court.

Best to be sure, it’s a small expense to know what you truly own especially after the expense of buying property.

I feel your pain, grew up on 20k acres in MT that we constantly had people trespassing on but fact remains unless it’s surveyed you don’t really know the boundaries.

On another interesting note my buddy and I were looking at a property I just bought in CO and OnX showed the guy that owned it before the broker I bought from, Gaia was up to date. He was a little pissed, lol.

 

[Pro953]

No. I haven't had it surveyed...yet. I shouldnt have to if property boundaries are already in place. So, my question to you and those asking is this, why should that matter if existing markers are in place?

The signs mean nothing if they are not on your real property line. If anything you could be stealing land from a neighbor or intruding on public land. You ha e every right to protect your land and deny other access, but without proof that it is your property line, you do not really have a leg to stand on.

Just curious, did you tell these “trespassers” that they are on private land and they did not leave?


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[T28w]

And yet people claim to be able to find, with their GPS units, the exact corners of two public land parcels and step from one public land parcel to another.

ClearCreek

Seems if there is a corner there and its accurately marked then it’s pretty clear that this possible. If it were really about keeping people from taking one literal step on their land it would be an easy fix,just mark the corner. If it’s about private land owners trying to keep people off public land ,well......that’s a diff issue.

 

[ChrisS]

The only thing that Onyx or Gaia or Basemap or anyone else does with property information is repackage publicly available land ownership files into a convenient user interface. The lines and ownership records are updated at the county level. When they update, their files - which can be quarterly or yearly or at some other time depending on the county - all the services update theirs. I'm sure there might be some QA/QC that happens inhouse when the files are updated to make sure that they convert properly, but Onx or Gaia aren't driving around checking pins or reviewing deeds to make sure the files are 100% accurate. Garbage in / garbage out.

As for the guy with trespassing issues, he refuses to give up any specfic information on his property except that he's being screwed by trespassers and OnX and complaining about it on the internet and posting trailcam pictures on craigslist. Which all seems about as effective as pissing in the wind. It kind of sounds to me like he bought someone else's headache. Be like the Wilks boys, have it surveyed to death, buy up some legislators, and hire a few dozen security guards to patrol the property.

 

[elkstabber]

So the OP has two choices:

1. Have his property surveyed and prosecute trespassers, or
2. Bitch and complain on Rokslide

 

[MtGomer]

Onx sucks. Info is way outdated and lines are often wrong. Huntstand is closer to being updated and I haven't found one line off yet. I'm in missouri. Maybe it's different elsewhere.

Huntstand’s lines are ‘off’ too.
I would STRONGLY recommend taking a few moments to educate yourself on what you are using and what it means.

 

[Billinsd]

How they hell anyone hunted before turrets and GPS is beyond me...

It was when we walked a mile in the snow to school and didn't get participation awards and we where tough. In all seriousness I remember before there where atm machines and how we got a long without them. I got machined turrets and GPS now. However, I know how to read a map and compass. Common sense and caution can go a long way, but that's gone. What I've run across a lot in San Diego County is property owners posting public land adjacent to their land to keep people out and the forest circus not doing anything about it.

 

[Billinsd]

This is exactly why we fought the new trespassing bill in Idaho. Unfortunately it passed and greatly reduced the responsibility of property owners to post their land. So now it becomes the sole responsibility of the sportsmen to know where the property boundaries are. The state legislature and the large landowners who control them told us that we should all have GPS by now and we should use that technology to make sure we don't trespass. Well this thread is exactly what we tried to warn them about.

We have to rely on often inaccurate GIS data and GPS technology to navigate around property boundaries and the error can be significant.

I don't want to trespass, but landowners should be willing to help us out by clearly and accurately posting their property at intervals that match the limits of visibility for the terrain and vegetation.

Seems to me your representatives are bought and beholden to special interests!! Pains me to say it when they are Republicans. But you guys got a huge problem. Bill

 

[nodakian]

Pay attention to Mtgomer (he worked with me when he was a surveyor) and WVMountaineer. They know their stuff. A fence may or may not be on your boundary.

GIS stands for Get It Surveyed.

 

[204guy]

We're pretty light on details, but given what I think I've deduced- probably way off.
-An existing trail is shown as being on NF on onx, new owner buys adjacent private and posts the shit out of it, including a fence that onx shows as being on public, the trail is on the backside. This trail provides access to a much larger piece of remote NF.

It's hard to say without seeing what kind of margins we're talking about, but I'm probably ignoring the signs and continuing to use what the available resources show as my public land. I'm pretty insulated as I have no intent to trespass or hunt the private and I'm using what resources I have available to determine property boundaries.

I can't be the only one amazed at the irony of a ranting post about privatizing public access on Rokslide can I?



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[Praxeus]

We're pretty light on details, but given what I think I've deduced- probably way off.
-An existing trail is shown as being on NF on onx, new owner buys adjacent private and posts the shit out of it, including a fence that onx shows as being on public, the trail is on the backside. This trail provides access to a much larger piece of remote NF.

It's hard to say without seeing what kind of margins we're talking about, but I'm probably ignoring the signs and continuing to use what the available resources show as my public land. I'm pretty insulated as I have no intent to trespass or hunt the private and I'm using what resources I have available to determine property boundaries.

I can't be the only one amazed at the irony of a ranting post about privatizing public access on Rokslide can I?



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204....Your close. The fact of the matter is that there was a foot trail that went on/ off my property in an attempt to reach public land. When we bought this piece of heaven, it was advertised as a piece of heaven that you could build your off grid cabin on, hunt or do whatever you wanted to. With trespassers using the trail (that starts out on private land) they gained access to every square inch of our property. Now, we aren't sure if having a cabin, placing tree stands or anything else is secure because of access on to our property. So...i could care less if guys truly are on public property; more power to you. Im only concerned that On X is telling them that they are on private when in reality (NF boundry markers) they are on private. Thats it in a nutshell. Im only commenting on the genuine and established trespassing. Other than that, I have no dog in the fight. To the guys saying that On X uses Cadastral/ Assesors records are spot on. This IS the problem.

 

[idelkslayer]

I find the opposing viewpoints disappointing. As a landowner with absolutely no public land near me (3miles away), we still get tresspassers. Last guy told me he’s been doing it for years and since he wasn’t on my property (neighbors) I couldn’t do anything about it. So, he’s basically a poacher and a thief in my eyes. (Colorado says you must have permission even if it’s not posted)

I hunt some blm near private property. I stay outside any fences, posted areas, and a minimum of 100 yards from what OnX says is private property boundaries. It doesn’t affect my success one bit.

You believe that we should stay 100 yards away from private property boundaries just to be certain we don't trespass. Why should we surrender a 100 yard swath of land to private property owners? Do you stay 100 yards away from your neighbors boundary just in case? Of course not, you use your land right up to the boundary. Guess what, I'm going to use my public land right up to the boundary as well.

In some places, 100 yards is the difference between being able to legally access public land or being locked out.

 

[16Bore]

With all the maps, deeds, surveys, aerial photography, GPS and public records available....has anyone thought to ask?

It’s kinda like this:

Hello sir or madam. My name is Joe Rokslide Jr. I’ve been looking over some maps at an area I’m planning to hunt this fall and it appears to border your property. I want to make very sure that I’m in the correct area. Would you mind taking a look at this map with me?

Or...

Hi Mr. or Mrs. Forest Service representive. My name is Joe Rokslide Jr. I’ve been looking over some maps at an area I’m planning to hunt this fall and it appears to border several privately owned properties. I want to make very sure that I’m in the correct area. Would you mind taking a look at this map with me?


Yeah, you might hear “get the hell off my lawn” or you might hear “well honey, ain’t nobody hunted here in a coons age. You can hunt over there too. Let me find a pen and I’ll write you a permission slip. You know, I ain’t had no back straps since Wilbur passed. Maybe you could bring me some...”

Rumor has it a loaf banana bread once opened the gates to some primo turkey spots.


Have some phuqqin balls and talk to people.

 

[AKducks]

204....Your close. The fact of the matter is that there was a foot trail that went on/ off my property in an attempt to reach public land. When we bought this piece of heaven, it was advertised as a piece of heaven that you could build your off grid cabin on, hunt or do whatever you wanted to. With trespassers using the trail (that starts out on private land) they gained access to every square inch of our property. Now, we aren't sure if having a cabin, placing tree stands or anything else is secure because of access on to our property. So...i could care less if guys truly are on public property; more power to you. Im only concerned that On X is telling them that they are on private when in reality (NF boundry markers) they are on private. Thats it in a nutshell. Im only commenting on the genuine and established trespassing. Other than that, I have no dog in the fight. To the guys saying that On X uses Cadastral/ Assesors records are spot on. This IS the problem.

Praxeus, you need to tell us what exactly is going on, are people using an established trail that crosses your property (undeveloped) to access public land? how do you know that the trail is on your property? do you have a survey. Right now I think the people crossing your property are in the clear. if they are not post the trail and put a gate. Put your name and number and a statement that the GIS is wrong and why you know its wrong.

 

[Titan_Bow]

204....Your close. The fact of the matter is that there was a foot trail that went on/ off my property in an attempt to reach public land. When we bought this piece of heaven, it was advertised as a piece of heaven that you could build your off grid cabin on, hunt or do whatever you wanted to. With trespassers using the trail (that starts out on private land) they gained access to every square inch of our property. Now, we aren't sure if having a cabin, placing tree stands or anything else is secure because of access on to our property. So...i could care less if guys truly are on public property; more power to you. Im only concerned that On X is telling them that they are on private when in reality (NF boundry markers) they are on private. Thats it in a nutshell. Im only commenting on the genuine and established trespassing. Other than that, I have no dog in the fight. To the guys saying that On X uses Cadastral/ Assesors records are spot on. This IS the problem.

When you say there is a foot trail to public but then “they gain access to every square inch of our property” , I’m confused a bit at what you mean. Is it a trail at a corner or along the edge of your property boundary? Or is it running right through the middle of it? If it’s a “disputed” boundary or corner, how does that give trespassers full access to your entire property?


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[cnelk]

And also 'Adverse Possession' could come into play

 

[Piscatory_4]

I try not to hunt right next to property lines but the right hand side is timber company land that I have access to and I have hunted elk in here. The property owner does not have a fence along his property line and I don't recall seeing signs posted either. But the vegetation changes on a pretty straight line so it's obvious where the property ownership changes. I just try and stay well away from property lines but realize there are instances where public land comes down to a fine point at a highway between private land which can be an access point to public land. In that case it would be better to ask adjacent landowners where that point is and/or if you can access through their property along a fence line.

Another instance just recent;y with a friend who ad bought a piece of land and shortly after closing went to check it out to start doing some clearing. A neighbor had started stringing a fence, t-posts and mesh wire between them but had veered off the property line onto my friends land about 10 ft to avoid a stump and brush. The property lines had just been surveyed and there were pretty fresh stakes in ground. The neighbor balked when asked about moving the fence to the line and wanted it surveyed again even though there were engineer stakes in plain view. So he hires the same surveyors to come out and measure, same ones who had done the survey previously a couple times in 2 years. Put new stakes in at same locations as previously. Guy moved his fence to right on the stake line.

 

[bridgermgmt]

The county assessors office had to do a new survey to correct property issues in my area. Plus side is they increased the size. But when I emailed onx, they said that it could take up to a year for them to update their system. I think that’s more because of the local office here rather than onx.