Kryptek valhalla, and even got a pair for $40. We are talking early to mid season, and I get warm easy so they work great for me, maybe not you. These work great even into the 40s and rain, I have walked through wet baby pines all day in just these, and sat in treestands in the 50s with rain, and been just fine cause they dry so fast. You can't beat the price if you get them discounted. The simplicity and drop in side pockets with no zipper are perfect for phones, wind check, calls. Nothing falls out. A taper to the legs would be an improvement though.