Nightforce NX6 Lineup

Revic offers a similar reticle design in MOA.


This is not intended to be a mass market product.
The Revic is fundamentally different than March’s DR-1F. March combined SFP stadia and dot with FFP subtensions to maintain accuracy across the mag range. It’s a brilliant design really. Basically a classic SFP duplex at low mag, and a friendly FFP reticle once you get over 5-6x. Could it use some tweaking? Sure, but it’s a really nice place to start.

I also think you are looking at the product too narrowly. A family of scopes like these should be thought of as a mass market product.

What we are designing in our fantasy land here is by and a large an optic that any hunter, East to West can put on a rifle and have work well in their context. You motivate the C suite by moving units. Prove you can move units, even to Sam and Jim down at Bass Pro on a Sunday while his wife is away shopping, and you can start getting some real economy of scale and give the margin back to the consumer as competitive pricing, or pocket it for the annual executive bonus. (Or pay for all those warranty claims loopy, vortex.😎)

Guarantee you put a display kiosk in a Cabelas with the mid-tier model mounted to a mock action with a laser in the chamber, a drop platform, a rest with a target, and a bold sign that says “Go ahead, drop me, I dare you. See what happens…” When the crosshairs don’t move, That b*tch will sell every unit in the store.

We’re just appropriating Vortex and Leupold’s business model, but actually making something good. All you need is some decent marketing and you’re golden. Someone like NF already has the OEM supply chain locked. It would be an easy pivot just to spin off and rebrand it so you don’t dilute the parent brand. Just a finance guy’s $0.02
 
Yes the reticles from Nightforce are a disapointment to hunters, but what most are missing, is the Nightforce line that is perfect for hunters:
 

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Not implying the present execution is perfect, just the design principle. We are in fantasy land still remember.👍🏼

You’re in fantasy land, almost everyone else is in current reality land.

You don’t need a dual focal plane reticle to fix NF’s FFP issue.
 
You’re in fantasy land, almost everyone else is in current reality land.

You don’t need a dual focal plane reticle to fix NF’s FFP issue.
Everything was fantasy land, until someone pulled it off and it wasn’t.

Aaaannnndddd, NF still isn’t listening to mine, yours, or anyone else’s complaints and suggestions to change, so are our fantasy lands really so different? Mine needs a competent engineer, anyone wanting a good NF hunting reticle needs an act of Congress.
 
Yes the reticles from Nightforce are a disapointment to hunters, but what most are missing, is the Nightforce line that is perfect for hunters:
Yep, that bright white logo isn't going to stand out in the field/forest at all ...

This lessens my faith in NF and confirms suspicions that they (at least in part) market to the Tactical Timmy crowd ...
 
“Serious people” is a bit offensive to be honest. What exactly is a serious person and what is their fraction of gross profit for hunting optics? I like MOA because it’s what I know, so my ideal fits accordingly and my 400 and in opportunities don’t punish me at all for it. MOA is comfortable for arguably most of the American market and ignoring it would be a mistake in moving units to the masses. Take Leica, Swaro, and Zeiss’ recent conversion over to MOA in their new NA releases as proof. Moreover, the systems are not mutually exclusive. You can roll out models in both, just calibrated and geared differently, then everyone is happy.
"Serious people" was shorthand. Apologies if I caused offense.

Mil vs MOA has been covered to death both here and on the Hide. Of course people can have personal preferences; knock yourself out.

But the fact that Mil-based systems are faster to use and calculate is demonstrable and has been covered here many times; this is where we move from personal preference to simple fact/reality.

One starting point is here: https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...cope-reticle-turrets-and-proper-usage.315942/

I now can't recall if Form also makes the use case for Mil in that thread; if not, just do a search for posts under his username using the keywords "Jesus" and "tens" and you should be golden.

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Yep, that bright white logo isn't going to stand out in the field/forest at all ...

This lessens my faith in NF and confirms suspicions that they (at least in part) market to the Tactical Timmy crowd ...
My post was mostly directed at those with a sence of humor. Also the little bit of white don't mean much when you are wearing a bright orange vest. :ROFLMAO:
 
"Serious people" was shorthand. Apologies if I caused offense.

Mil vs MOA has been covered to death both here and on the Hide. Of course people can have personal preferences; knock yourself out.

But the fact that Mil-based systems are faster to use and calculate is demonstrable and has been covered here many times; this is where we move from personal preference to simple fact/reality.

One starting point is here: https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...cope-reticle-turrets-and-proper-usage.315942/

I now can't recall if Form also makes the use case for Mil in that thread; if not, just do a search for posts under his username using the keywords "Jesus" and "tens" and you should be golden.

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You act like I don’t know your points…🤦🏻‍♂️

I just don't stand to realize a meaningful benefit with how and where I hunt. I do however stand to realize a meaningful impact on my bank account replacing all my optics to fit in with the mil crowd. I like you guys and all, but not that much.
 
You act like I don’t know your points…🤦🏻‍♂️

I just don't stand to realize a meaningful benefit with how and where I hunt. I do however stand to realize a meaningful impact on my bank account replacing all my optics to fit in with the mil crowd. I like you guys and all, but not that much.
How and where do you hunt?
 
My post was mostly directed at those with a sence of humor. Also the little bit of white don't mean much when you are wearing a bright orange vest. :ROFLMAO:
My gosh hunter orange is dumb. Im so glad when we wear orange its because its a technical piece that happens to be orange no some shitty vest.
 
How and where do you hunt?
Central and south Texas. Texas is almost 100% privately owned land and we hunt almost entirely over bait/water here to hold animals inside our property lines. I own a ranch with clean shot opportunities to 420 yards down sendero/road from elevated box blinds. Most animals taken over cleared 5-6 acre food plots with clean shots to 250yds. Hogs hunted at 15-200yds from truck/stalk/elevated box. Coyotes at opportunity over carcasses after I’ve boned them out and occasional population control of raccoons and possums to regulate the loss rate from my big protein feeder. I know the landmarks for ranging and I know my ballistics. That negates a lot of the benefits of a mil system. Like I said, for ME there’s not really a benefit there. When my girls get older, I’ll be able to actually do some open spaces western hunting, it’s just not in the cards for me right now without a divorce.

Attached some pics from my place to give you an idea of what any given ranch in the Texas brush country is like. What “water” often looks like, what we have to do to make the land usable, and what we have to track through.
 

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You act like I don’t know your points…🤦🏻‍♂️

I just don't stand to realize a meaningful benefit with how and where I hunt. I do however stand to realize a meaningful impact on my bank account replacing all my optics to fit in with the mil crowd. I like you guys and all, but not that much.

I don't even like them that much, honestly. I'm teaching my kids to shoot *AND* be able to divide by 4.

ETA: To be clear, that is at least mostly an attempt at humor. I like those guys.
 
I don't even like them that much, honestly. I'm teaching my kids to shoot *AND* be able to divide by 4.

ETA: To be clear, that is at least mostly an attempt at humor. I like those guys.
Do you make the use quaternary for all math? Or, are you one of those luke warm tweeners?

Humor
 
Central and south Texas. Texas is almost 100% privately owned land and we hunt almost entirely over bait/water here to hold animals inside our property lines. I own a ranch with clean shot opportunities to 420 yards down sendero/road from elevated box blinds. Most animals taken over cleared 5-6 acre food plots with clean shots to 250yds. Hogs hunted at 15-200yds from truck/stalk/elevated box. Coyotes at opportunity over carcasses after I’ve boned them out and occasional population control of raccoons and possums to regulate the loss rate from my big protein feeder. I know the landmarks for ranging and I know my ballistics. That negates a lot of the benefits of a mil system. Like I said, for ME there’s not really a benefit there. When my girls get older, I’ll be able to actually do some open spaces western hunting, it’s just not in the cards for me right now without a divorce.

I wish I could like this post a 1000 times.
 
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