Nightforce NX6 Lineup

[Dobermann]

NF would need to steal Swarovski or S&B’s coating recipes and they would be in good shape.

Or people could just by the Minox ZP5 and find out why others have said they're superior to NF ...

 

[Dobermann]

That's me. Not sure you're referring specifically to me, but that's absolutely me. You may not realize this but those long-range western scenarios also have animals moving at dawn and dusk. It ain't always midday shooting at an elk on snow.

Hi Chris, I don't think I've read your other posts on this issue (and haven't read the rest of this thread yet), but have you checked out the Maven ZP5 with THLR reticle? Form posted an eval and Q&A thread - lots of examples in there of the reticle in real-life conditions. To save cluttering this thread with unnecessary info, feel free to ask any questions in the ZP5 Q&A thread and I'm sure @Formidilosus, @mxgsfmdpx, myself, or Ryan will be happy to help.

 

[Dobermann]

It drove the hell out of Minox sales in the last couple of months, if @EuroOptic recent special shipment is any indicator.

That was probably a relatively small sample size. More telling would be the runs on SWFA and Maven RS1.2s ...

 

[Dobermann]

No excuses given, just a logical reasoning. Clearly Nightforce isn't hurting for $$. The guys at the top of most* companies care about 1 thing. $$

Yes ... and in the case of Nightforce, remember that their key markets are mil/LE, benchrest, ELR, and some LR comp - not hunting.

 

[RockAndSage]

That was probably a relatively small sample size. More telling would be the runs on SWFA and Maven RS1.2s ...

Perhaps, in terms of overall units sold. But from Minox's perspective, they may very well have 5x'd their quarterly sales of the ZP5 in the United States from this one sale. If not quite a bit more, given they basically don't market it here.

 

[Dobermann]

Perhaps, in terms of overall units sold. But from Minox's perspective, they may very well have 5x'd their quarterly sales of the ZP5 in the United States from this one sale. If not quite a bit more, given they basically don't market it here.

For sure: if EuroOptic's source had given them more ZP5 THLRs, they would have sold more.

But my point was that Minox's baseline was low to begin with, and the # offered by Euro was also low. Compare that with SWFA and Maven repeatedly selling out within hours of us posting here that they had restocked ...

 

[Dobermann]

If I wanted an xmas tree I would
Move to the North Pole and work for Santa

@Ryan Avery: can we have this on a t-shirt? Can we? Can we? Can we?

 

[Dobermann]

20 MIL grid....

Who designs these reticles?

Weeelll ... there is the NF>Horus>Todd H connection, so ...

 

[Dobermann]

It’s wild how many Random people refer to the drop test evals.

They're read by far more people than just regular Roksliders ... we know that from a range of industry sources.

 

[Dobermann]

I got into it with the engineers at a large optics company about how their most expensive scope couldn't hold zero for a car ride in a pelican case (guess who).

Vortex?

Leupold?

Vortex. No, Leupold.

Gah.

 

[Tl15]

Or people could just by the Minox ZP5 and find out why others have said they're superior to NF ...

Except they aren’t 30mm format, weigh 30 oz, and the reticles are more busy than a Midland dealer on payday. I’m sure they are great, and proven durable, but I’m not seeing what wishlist box they check?

Just call LOW up, have them take a 30mm NF chassis off the line, make it 3-18x50, optics of a Swaro Z8, convert a March DR-1F reticle to MOA and bump back the heavy stadia so I have 10 MOA of hash at max mag, plop it in then sell me 6 of them.

Hell, if Deon could dial back the mag and shrink down a wide angle Majesta optical system into a March-F chassis, they’d pretty much have it down.

You know, because the optical and mechanical engineering is just that easy…

 

[Dobermann]

Except they aren’t 30mm format, weigh 30 oz

Clearly. I was just responding to your point about optical clarity. Multiple people in the LR/PRS world commented on the better optics of the ZP5 to the ATACRs when they arrived in the US.

and the reticles are more busy than a Midland dealer on payday.

The benefits and usability of the THLR reticle - and that the extra information pretty much disappears in use - has been covered here.

I’m sure they are great, and proven durable, but I’m not seeing what wishlist box they check?

That's also pretty well covered in the ZP5 Q&A thread here. Specialised, sure, but an amazing dedicated LR option.

Just call LOW up, have them take a 30mm NF chassis off the line, make it 3-18x50, optics of a Swaro Z8, convert a March DR-1F reticle to MOA and bump back the heavy stadia so I have 10 MOA of hash at max mag, plop it in then sell me 6 of them.

Now you're getting closer to what the "RokScope" is doing ... although very few serious people want MOA these days, for good reason.

Hell, if Deon could dial back the mag and shrink down a wide angle Majesta optical system into a March-F chassis, they’d pretty much have it down.

Except they've had reliability issues ...