Nightforce NX6 Lineup

[Formidilosus]

I've seen a couple of references to the idea that "the gas gun guys" will like the FC-MRx reticle in 2-12. Like most red blooded Americans at this point, I have a few gas guns, but I am not really a "gas gun guy." Serious question: what's the appeal of a Horus style grid, 20 mils elevation marks, and +/- 10 mils of windage marks for anyone on a 2-12? Are there gas gun competitions where that combination of features is desirable? (I'll admit that I don't see the appeal of a Horus style grid for anything except maybe a military/artillery spotter or something, so excuse my ignorance).

It’s because the “gas gun” don’t know any better- no they don’t use their rifles in any manner where that reticle makes sense. It’s just that the “tactical” world has convinced themselves that type of reticle is “needed”. Utterly sub-optimum for anything real, and yet that is what they want. And then, half of them mount an offset red dot- not for “CQB”? But because the scopes are useless below 6x, so they use the red dot as a 0-100y sight.

 

[Jake Larsen]

It’s because the “gas gun” don’t know any better- no they don’t use their rifles in any manner where that reticle makes sense. It’s just that the “tactical” world has convinced themselves that type of reticle is “needed”. Utterly sub-optimum for anything real, and yet that is what they want. And then, half of them mount an offset red dot- not for “CQB”? But because the scopes are useless below 6x, so they use the red dot as a 0-100y sight.

Here’s the answer I’m looking for. So this reticle is essentially a gimmick for the tacticool crowd?


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[eLightfoot]

I haven’t yet looked through all the comments. This is one of the ideas I drew up four years ago. It was in response to a similar thread where folks were complaining about reticles and some said to not complain unless you can show what you want. New year, same story. In general, this is what I want. I have variations of this, but you get the idea. To my best recollection I intended these for a 2.5-12x. Little dot only would illuminate. See in the timber at first/last light (#1 priority), and all the references I would need, and nothing more.

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Yea that’s the reticle I want please

 

[PathFinder]

Ah well...guess we'll all be backordered on S2H scopes for the next 4 years.

 

[Kurts86]

Sorry, I don't completely follow. What update is "that update" your refer to in your second sentence? I think you are referring to a hope that a new reticle will be released mid-year. Asking because I (many of us) may be interested in the NX6 2-12 despite its shortcomings...

Nightforce had around 6 different reticles offered in the NXS 2.5-10x 42 over the years. Reticle offerings change fairly often and they don’t even wait for Shot Show.

Unfortunately all the recent Nightforce reticle design has gone into making MOA versions of decent Mil designs.

 

[Formidilosus]

And therefore, all the chatter about the reticles is kind of a waste of forum pages, but I guess we gotta vent.

As Form says, whatever NF is doing it is deliberate. Even if they read these pages it will have no impact.

What I want to know is which reticle choices in the NX6 line that we actually have available to us, would be recommended by @Formidilosus for the NX6 scopes suitable for wilderness big game hunting - perhaps starting with the 2-12.

Heck, maybe Form would say go 2FP on the 2-12 NX6.

I wouldn’t choose any of those reticle for hunting. And no, I would not go SFP.

 

[Formidilosus]

Agree. It’s excessive.
I think originally they had some feedback or a request from one of their .mil contracts for the milXT reticle. Then they copied forward that same logic to this new 2-12 fc-mrx.

But to your original question: when I see Xmas tree reticle, I’m thinking of holdover engagements of multiple range targets for a competition stage.

No one that holds over in competition wins. You dial elevation, and hold wind just like everywhere else.

Would love to hear from somebody competing in some gas gun discipline about this reticle. Was this designed to be optimal for that space, and just “good enough” for hunting?

Already answered, but no. No one is holding over and winning in matches. The reticle was not optimized for anything except to please the “gas gun” shooters that don’t actually use them.

I think you're right. I guess Ive been away from RS too much and I am not up to speed on that. Thanks for the "reminder".

Except I am not financially involved. If NF would listen I, and Ryan would design a reticle for them. They won’t.

 

[handwerk]

so does this mean used NXS scopes will go up or down in value....?

 

[Formidilosus]

Here’s the answer I’m looking for. So this reticle is essentially a gimmick for the tacticool crowd?

Functionally- yes.


People scream for reticles (and everything else) based on how the think they may at some magical point in the future- shoot. Not how they actaully shoot.

 

[freddyG]

Realistically, how many of the mil/mil 2-12 scopes would Nightforce sell if they offered the thlr reticle in them(if Thomas would either license or give permission to use the design)?

 

[Formidilosus]

Realistically, how many of the mil/mil 2-12 scopes would Nightforce sell if they offered the thlr reticle in them(if Thomas would either license or give permission to use the design)?

Already been tried- they were not interested. Even if the reticle development was paid for.

 

[43.6N]

No one that holds over in competition wins. You dial elevation, and hold wind just like everywhere else.

Agree 100%

I went down a deep rabbit hole a few years ago really trying to master the holdover. Went full tremor reticle and learned my wind dots.
It didn’t make a lick of difference.

That frustration eventually led me to Rokslide.

 

[freddyG]

Already been tried- they were not interested. Even if the reticle development was paid for.

I might be able to get it done, but need to know that there is significant interest.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

Are there still any bow killers out there using fixed pin sights? Or have they all gone to dialling single pin bow sights? For hunting.

 

[Geewhiz]

Are there still any bow killers out there using fixed pin sights? Or have they all gone to dialling single pin bow sights? For hunting.

fixed pins here

 

[Formidilosus]

I might be able to get it done, but need to know that there is significant interest.

Significant is relative. How many do you need?

And at this point there is going to be another option with that reticle significantly less expensive that will dramatically reduce the potential pool.

 

[gbflyer]

That 4Ai is a bad ass reticle for a big game rifle. Are all you guys snipers or what?

 

[Jake Larsen]

Are there still any bow killers out there using fixed pin sights? Or have they all gone to dialling single pin bow sights? For hunting.

Hybrid. 3 pin slider for me. But archery is a very different beast than rifle. It’s apples to oranges to compare single pin slider vs fixed pins, and holdover vs dialing (if that’s where you were headed with this question).


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[dallen]

fixed pins here

Me too

 

[Formidilosus]

Are there still any bow killers out there using fixed pin sights? Or have they all gone to dialling single pin bow sights? For hunting.

Do you not understand the relationship size difference between big game at 0-80 yards with fixed points, and big game at 0-800 yards with fixed points?