Newly lost faith in health care

[average]

So glad the ignorant have no problem seeking care from the "evil health care system" when they think they're going to die. Keeps me employed.

 

[HFBPA889]

So glad the ignorant have no problem seeking care from the "evil health care system" when they think they're going to die. Keeps me employed.

Medical care is the third leading cause of death…a statistical fact that most people don’t even know…but I’m ignorant.

 

[Speaks]

The Rockerfeller reference is a fun throwback. While his influence on medicine is historically true it was 100 years ago. Im not saying it does not have lingering effects, virtually none of the content is still there.

Modern medicine has a spectrum. Surgery and trauma care is amazingly good, antibiotics changed humanity as much as any one invention, insulin was lifesaving for type 1 diabetics.

Tons of counter examples as well without even stretching to things like viox, SSRIs come to mind.

I keep hearing doctors dont know much about nutrition, truth is HUMANS dont know that much about nutrition, its a very hard thing to study due to very long timelines, confounding factors, and reliance on self reporting.

I am a bit suspicious of the demonization of cholesterol, though it would be silly to call it outright false though.

 

[jimh406]

Keeps me employed.

At least you are honest about your bias.

 

[Pharmseller]

Medical care is the third leading cause of death…a statistical fact that most people don’t even know…but I’m ignorant.

Please post a link supporting your statement.





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[jimh406]

Please post a link supporting your statement.

Note: this was from 2018. Who knows how many during Covid. My guess it was even higher.

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about

More than 250,000 people in the US die every year because of medical mistakes, making it the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

www.cnbc.com

Medical Error Reduction and Prevention - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[Pharmseller]

Medical Error Is Not the Third Leading Cause of Death

In the first episode of the television show The Resident, a nurse tells the young protagonist that medical error is the third leading cause of death in the United States after cancer and heart disease. “They don’t want us talking about that,” she adds. This shocking and unforgettable line did...

www.mcgill.ca

“In 2016, the British Medical Journal (BMJ) published an “analysis”by a research fellow, Michael Daniel, and a professor who had developed the operating room checklist, Martin A. Makary, both from the Department of Surgery at Johns Hopkins University. To call it a study would be inaccurate. It was a call for better reporting of medical errors, motivated by a lack of funding available to support quality and safety research and propped up by a back-of-the-envelope calculation. The authors looked at the few studies that had been published on the problem since the Institute of Medicine report. They took the mean death rate from medical error from those studies and extrapolated them to the total number of U.S. hospital admissions in 2013. After adding that this extrapolation was surely an underestimation of the actual problem, they concluded that this would mean medical error would rank third in the Centers for Disease Control’s list of causes of death in the U.S. This became the title of their published analysis, which has been cited in at least 1,265 papers according to Scopus, and this memorable idea spread to news articles, television shows, and alternative medicine circles.”


Take-home message:
-A popular claim that medical error is the third leading cause of death in the United States originated in a 2016 back-of-the-envelope analysis published in the British Medical Journal
-This ranking is an exaggeration that was arrived at by combining a small number of studies done in populations that were not meant to be representative of the entire U.S. population and that were not designed to prove a link between a medical error and death
-The claim is often used by proponents of alternative medicine to scare people away from medical care.



It’s a good read.




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[Burnsie]

A lot of skeptics become believers real quick when they have a kidney stone, a burst appendix or get rushed to the ER for triple by-pass surgery....etc.

 

[Pharmseller]

A lot of skeptics become believers real quick when they have a kidney stone, a burst appendix or get rushed to the ER for triple by-pass surgery....etc.

Topics such as these appear frequently. The structure is far from perfect but it’s better than anywhere else.

Big Pharma is a popular target. We’re easy to blame. I did a poll on another site asking if you’d be dead without Big Pharma, most people said yes.




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[xsn10s]

I blame how the government has structured Medicaid/ Medicare. It basically robs Medicare, or Medicare participants to fund Medicaid IMO.

 

[Speaks]

A lot of skeptics become believers real quick when they have a kidney stone, a burst appendix or get rushed to the ER for triple by-pass surgery....etc.

Its silly to say that all modern medicine is garbage, its also silly to say its all great or at the same level.

In general surgery and trauma care is amazing, antibiotics changed the world, insulin certainly changed the world for diabetics.

This system also brought us Viox, SSRIs, Covid jab for kids (I am very open to that it was great for some people), and eat cereal not eggs.

Wondering where on that spectrum statins fall in which I think was the original topic of this post seems legit. Cholesterol may be causal for hear disease but it seems even the most optimistic view of their effectiveness only adds days to lifespan. On the other hand those averages might have more to do with the fact that we recommend them to nearly all men over 50 than that they dont work where they are needed.