Newly lost faith in health care

[Speaks]

All depends on where you live. Local to me, it's anywhere between $2k and $10k annually. The majority are in the $2-3k range.

Oh wow thats way more affordable than I would have guessed. Will look into that for sure.

 

[Deadfall]

Look into a Fella named Gary Brecka. Try hat he says. Changed my life. Nothing against doctors tge deck is stacked against them. Doctors do serve a purpose, however they are also not needed for 98 percent of stuff. Ling as you willing to be proactive with your life.

Gary Brecka.....you are welcome in advance!!

 

[JoeDirt]

Look into a Fella named Gary Brecka. Try hat he says. Changed my life. Nothing against doctors tge deck is stacked against them. Doctors do serve a purpose, however they are also not needed for 98 percent of stuff. Ling as you willing to be proactive with your life.

Gary Brecka.....you are welcome in advance!!

Lots of good info coming out, Gary isnt a doctor but damn hes got a pulse on this being from the insurance side...

 

[mostlybirch]

CT scanners originally had weight limits of 300 lbs as did xray tables. The CTs table drive gears would jump and stop. Companies gradually increased table limits. Next issue was bore diameter, if the patient makes contact with the inside of the bore, machine stops. There are eventually design limits on machines you cant overcome. When you do the scanogram at the start, you see a tiny skeleton in a body 3 or 4 times larger. No surprise why joints wear out.

And as average weight increases, people compare themselves against average and think being average is healthy.

 

[Deadfall]

Lots of good info coming out, Gary isnt a doctor but damn hes got a pulse on this being from the insurance side...

He doesn't claim to be. He's human biologist. Means he's the guy who reads tge blood panels and reports to doctors. Or used to.

He doesn't have anything to do with insurance far as I know

 

[Predator_SD]

To some extent this is misguided. One reason for our poor outcomes in our country is lack of access/preventative care. It is like saying don't look for a small problem until it's a big problem. As for the lifestyle advice, you'd be surprised at what percentage (it's high) of people don't want that and just want the easy button, aka medication.

Back to my point above, you are obviously an outlier and in the minority being motivated and making lifestyle changes to avoid medication and prolong your life, vast majority of people don't want to do anything other than take medication and take the easy route.

Yes, i’m well aware the majority want to push the easy button and take the “easy route”, meaning drugs to do things like lower blood pressure.

That being said, that is the INCORRECT way to approach health and wellness and it’s the reason Americans are so unhealthy. Taking a pill doesn’t fix anything it just masks the symptoms. If you live off of fast food and take out thus inhale 10,000 mgs of sodium a day your going to have high blood pressure. Especially if you never walk more than 30 yards at a time. Taking Lisinopril is going to lower your BP but it doesn’t fix the root cause. And the person continues to live that self destructive lifestyle and their overall health continues to circle the drain and more prescriptions follow and around and around they go.

The atrocity is that most docs never even bother pointing this out they just say you have htn and toss a prescription at em and send them on their way. There is a reason American throw more money at healthcare than any other country on Earth but have the poorest outcomes.

 

[Predator_SD]

I don't know if everyone who's employed by the medical system should thank you for keeping them employed by pushing this attitude or lecture you on how the "don't need a doctor until something is obviously broke" attitude is a big factor in the short comings of the US medical system.

If someone in their 30s has HTN he isn’t “broke”. He is eating a terrible diet and not getting any exercise. Just the facts man. A doctor isn’t going to be able to fix that. So what’s the point of going yearly for a check up to have the doc tell you you’re essentially overweight, eat like crap, and don’t get enough exercise seeing as you already know that? I mean come on people know what they’re eating and doing.

The much better course of action is to take care of yourself, eat well, get plenty of sleep and exercise. That will go a lot further in living a long happy life than a yearly check up from some general practiomer who writes Lisonopril scripts all day long.

 

[Predator_SD]

I’m actually a Mohs surgeon/Dermatologist. I was commenting on the nonsense that a computer tells me what to prescribe and if I don’t, I’ll have issues with my license or not be paid.

You’re absolutely right - information is everywhere, but there’s also a lot of false information to sift through as well.

I’m following what you’re saying now, my bad.

 

[omicron1792]

So you had two different lipid panels about 6 months apart. That looks like the doctor gave a chance for a natural reduction in ldl without meds and you failed that trial.

 

[Split toe]

Yes, i’m well aware the majority want to push the easy button and take the “easy route”, meaning drugs to do things like lower blood pressure.

That being said, that is the INCORRECT way to approach health and wellness and it’s the reason Americans are so unhealthy. Taking a pill doesn’t fix anything it just masks the symptoms. If you live off of fast food and take out thus inhale 10,000 mgs of sodium a day your going to have high blood pressure. Especially if you never walk more than 30 yards at a time. Taking Lisinopril is going to lower your BP but it doesn’t fix the root cause. And the person continues to live that self destructive lifestyle and their overall health continues to circle the drain and more prescriptions follow and around and around they go.

The atrocity is that most docs never even bother pointing this out they just say you have htn and toss a prescription at em and send them on their way. There is a reason American throw more money at healthcare than any other country on Earth but have the poorest outcomes.

If someone in their 30s has HTN he isn’t “broke”. He is eating a terrible diet and not getting any exercise. Just the facts man. A doctor isn’t going to be able to fix that. So what’s the point of going yearly for a check up to have the doc tell you you’re essentially overweight, eat like crap, and don’t get enough exercise seeing as you already know that? I mean come on people know what they’re eating and doing.

The much better course of action is to take care of yourself, eat well, get plenty of sleep and exercise. That will go a lot further in living a long happy life than a yearly check up from some general practiomer who writes Lisonopril scripts all day long.

I can understand the point you're trying to make, but you can only tell somebody what lifestyle to live, what to eat, how to exercise so many times and then it is on them. As I said before, I think you grossly overestimate the amount of people in society that want to do all the things (eat right, exercise right) they should be doing to stay healthy and avoid medications. Furthermore some stuff is genetics and to some extent it does not matter how much behavior modification you do, some are just dealt a bad hand and will need medication.

 

[Speaks]

I can understand the point you're trying to make, but you can only tell somebody what lifestyle to live, what to eat, how to exercise so many times and then it is on them. As I said before, I think you grossly overestimate the amount of people in society that want to do all the things (eat right, exercise right) they should be doing to stay healthy and avoid medications. Furthermore some stuff is genetics and to some extent it does not matter how much behavior modification you do, some are just dealt a bad hand and will need medication.

The percentage of people I know that do the basic things we all know to be healthy is very small. The percentage of people I know who are so unhealthy that its causing significant impact on their life and still do nothing is at least an order of magnitude higher than those that stay fit.

Im 41 and more and more just do stuff alone because so many of my friends cant physically engage in the activities anymore. By the way at our ages all our dads were much healthier than we collectively are despite drinking, smoking and never purposely exercising. But their food was less poisonous and while not specifically exercising they were active. My little brother is my height and over 2x my weight, its not just genetics.

 

[Extrapale]

I edited my post, triglycerides were not high. Just LDL cholesterol. View attachment 868818

He probably figured you didn't care to improve yourself since you had the same numbers 2 years ago. High LDL, clean up your diet. Low HDL, get some exercise.

I went through this in my 30's, and I was successful in cleaning up my act. I had high triglycerides and blood sugar also. My doc was shocked, said I was one of his first patients to successfully get back in line without meds in his 20+ year career.

 

[Pharmseller]

He probably figured you didn't care to improve yourself since you had the same numbers 2 years ago. High LDL, clean up your diet. Low HDL, get some exercise.

I went through this in my 30's, and I was successful in cleaning up my act. I had high triglycerides and blood sugar also. My doc was shocked, said I was one of his first patients to successfully get back in line without meds in his 20+ year career.

It is my understanding that cholesterol numbers can be affected by diet, but much of it is hereditary.

Eat like crap, have good numbers.

Eat perfectly, be off the charts bad.



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[BBob]

but much of it is hereditary.

That's where I am and I'm not alone. No history of heart disease in the family. I have what my doc calls slightly high cholesterol but another doc friend calls it high. I can exercise like a demon, eat the approved healthy diet and while it comes down it's not by much. On the flip side I did an experiment by eating as bad as I could and while it went up it wasn't very much.

My doc is on board with that some will have slightly high to high cholesterol and it means nothing. We'll live a long healthy life. He also acknowledges the research that shows that statins just may not be all of what they are cracked up to be.

Since someone mentioned Brecka, here's Malhotra on Brecka and his take on statins:

https://dexa.ai/ultimatehuman/clip?sids=chunk_3445507&sids=chunk_1656483&sids=chunk_3413311

 

[average]

If someone in their 30s has HTN he isn’t “broke”. He is eating a terrible diet and not getting any exercise. Just the facts man. A doctor isn’t going to be able to fix that. So what’s the point of going yearly for a check up to have the doc tell you you’re essentially overweight, eat like crap, and don’t get enough exercise seeing as you already know that? I mean come on people know what they’re eating and doing.

The much better course of action is to take care of yourself, eat well, get plenty of sleep and exercise. That will go a lot further in living a long happy life than a yearly check up from some general practiomer who writes Lisonopril scripts all day long.

You can't exercise away genetics. Many issues can be addressed before they cause significant problems. Avoiding the doc because you're "healthy" isn't going to accomplish that. And yes there are people that do all the right things and still have hypertension in their 30's.

 

[omicron1792]

You can't exercise away genetics. Many issues can be addressed before they cause significant problems. Avoiding the doc because you're "healthy" isn't going to accomplish that. And yes there are people that do all the right things and still have hypertension in their 30's.

Yep. His post is a lot of what is wrong with the internet.

 

[DLSJR]

He doesn't claim to be. He's human biologist. Means he's the guy who reads tge blood panels and reports to doctors. Or used to.

He doesn't have anything to do with insurance far as I know

Gary Brecka formerly worked as an actuary in the life insurance industry. He left that job and built a business around coaching for optimal health. His website is theultimatehuman.com. Yes, there are products he endorses or sells, but you can choose to buy them or not. There is a ton of free advice and guidance and it’s worth following if greater wellness is of interest to you.

 

[Marble]

I just had my yearly physical and my results have me very frustrated. My lipid panel results showed LDL were “high”. No discussion was had about diet or exercise, nothing about my lifestyle or family history, just an immediate prescription for a statin.

-33yo, generally healthy (no major issues, some family history, some chronic pain etc)
-5’9” 185 lbs, -moderately active throughout the winter and more into the summer and fall.

Not sure if this is a rant or asking opinions at this point. But I would like to find a doctor that is willing to talk through things, not just sign Rx and send me on my way

The super great majority of doctors receive little to no nutritional training. So good luck. Be an advocate for yourself.

A few starters... no or very little sugar, no pre-made food, fast food, good fats only from nuts, Avocado, and fish. More fiber. Very little or no alcohol. Avoid high processed food. And....exercise atleast a few times a week.

The foods you should be eating should be made, not unwrapped. That's the basics.

Some cholesterol issues are related, but they great majority is related to diet and lifestyle.

There are many natural things you can take from the health food store. Do your research.


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[Pharmseller]

It’s a common career path, actuary —> health coach —> supplements

You see it all the time.





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[Pharmseller]

If I don’t kill it with my bare hands*, I don’t eat it.


*Knives and hook/line count but guns don’t.




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