I am a very happy owner of a Seekins Element in 6.5 PRC. Here's my thoughts on the changes.
1. Very impressed that the prices remain static. Kudos to Seekins on that!
2. I am very unhappy about the M-Lok! It's going to add weight, and does absolutely nothing for me! I much prefer to add my own little arca plate. Why can't they just make it an upgrade option? Also not a fan of the added weight of the adjustable comb height. There's very few things more important than weight in a hunting rifle for me. I hunt backcountry pretty much exclusively, and carry my rifle up and down so much incredibly rough country every year. 1/2# extra is a big deal! Especially when it's a 1/2# that does nothing for me! Really hate this change!
3. Quick barrel change does nothing for me, but I suppose it's a selling point for some. I'm never wanting to re-zero just to shoot a new cartridge from the same platform. I also reload, so there's that.
4. Very happy with the shorter barrel options for the PH3! If they wouldn't also have the added weight of the M-Lok and adjustable cheek height, it would really make the PH3 a great option.
5. Also wish you wouldn't be forced to go Carbon Barrel in the Element line. It isn't a deal breaker, but I'm not a fan of Carbon Barrels.
6. I do love that they added the 7mm Backcountry. Intrigued by this offering.
7. Anyone in the North Idaho area want to sell me their Element in 6.5 PRC? I need to get one of the originals for my son before they're gone.
Just goes to show how we all look at these things differently.I have a 7 PRC Element and absolutely love it. With that said, I added a Pic rail to it for a bipod and had to add a cheek pad to the stock to get a good fit. I couldn't be more thrilled with the changes they've made. The M-Lok adds easily customizable attachments and rigidity to the stock. The cheek riser is the best addition, by far. I have looked for solutions and ended up with a cheek pad, but have considered sending my stock off for a custom cheek riser to be cut and installed. And the QC barrel is amazing. I've considered running other chamberings and now this is a quick swap, 3-4 shots max to zero it, and game on. And if I don't like the carbon fiber barrel, there are ton's of all metal options for super cheap from Seekins. As far as weight, the rifle was already lighter than I wanted even with a silencer installed. This is another great improvement.
The changes they've made were a total home-run as far as I'm concerned. And thank god they kept that amazing palm swell. One of my favorite things about the Seekins bolt guns is that grip.
I try to stay positive on here, and do genuinely think the Seekins guns are very cool, and very reasonably priced for the performance.
But I f'ing despise that cheap-a$* waffle texture on their stocks, and the 2x4 palm swell. Seriously, Seekins, you killed off all the old guns for this new line, and kept the texture that looks like a 3rd grader both designed and applied it??? Gross, cheap, ugly.
It literally has kept me from buying a Seekins on 2 separate occasions.
I hated the look and feel of the palm swell at first, but absolutely love it now. Wouldn't want to go without it. My 11 year old also shoots it super well, so it's a non issue for small hands.Couldn’t agree with this more. This is what’s kept me from buying a Seekins as well. The palm swell is huge and the stock feels so plastic like, especially with the texture.
Maybe next years Element 4.0 will fix this.
If you need to add mlok to make improvements to stock rigity, the stock was junk to begin with. It also adds unnecessary weight so now you have to buy or modify bipods that were already pic rail ready.I have a 7 PRC Element and absolutely love it. With that said, I added a Pic rail to it for a bipod and had to add a cheek pad to the stock to get a good fit. I couldn't be more thrilled with the changes they've made. The M-Lok adds easily customizable attachments and rigidity to the stock. The cheek riser is the best addition, by far. I have looked for solutions and ended up with a cheek pad, but have considered sending my stock off for a custom cheek riser to be cut and installed. And the QC barrel is amazing. I've considered running other chamberings and now this is a quick swap, 3-4 shots max to zero it, and game on. And if I don't like the carbon fiber barrel, there are ton's of all metal options for super cheap from Seekins. As far as weight, the rifle was already lighter than I wanted even with a silencer installed. This is another great improvement.
The changes they've made were a total home-run as far as I'm concerned. And thank god they kept that amazing palm swell. One of my favorite things about the Seekins bolt guns is that grip.
Cheek riser was the single best improvement, IMHO. And a small M-lok pic or arca rail attached to the integrated M-lok will be incredible. I didn’t and haven’t heard anyone say the stock NEEDED more rigidity, I just commented that the integrated M-lok rail adds even more than the beefy stock already had. For the guys that don’t want a carbon fiber barrel, or cheek piece, or M-lok, feel free to buy something else. For those of us that think this lineup of rifles is a home run, we will have less competition for buying the best production rifle on the market. Thanks for not buying.If you need to add mlok to make improvements to stock rigity, the stock was junk to begin with. It also adds unnecessary weight so now you have to buy or modify bipods that were already pic rail ready.
It was a major fail. Integrated pic rail would have been much better.
Cheek piece also a major fail. Added weight most people don't want. And most people don't need it.
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