New SE Alaska limits on blacktail deer. 1-Buck

[Glory]

Ketchikan residents could always have a total of 6 on POW. It was a combination of state and federal land of 4 and 2. Now that the same board granted Ketchikan "rural Status" EVERYONE qualifies for subsistence and the new harvesting options and bag limits. Own your own helicopter, yep you qualify. You asked a question about what does moose and caribou have to do with it. I posted the definition of subsistence when it originated. What rubs people the wrong way is it has gone a long way from what was intended. In the spirit of subsistence if you are wealthy enough to head off for a Moose hunt up north maybe you should not qualify for subsistence because you could certainly buy protein. Income qualifiers were originally left out because these designations were granted to very rural, generally poor, isolated small communities and tribes.

What are you talking about?

 

[Glory]

Simple, drop the harvest to a sustainable number (whatever that is). Go catch salmon.

Rather ironic that you can't understand other communities deal with pressure and limitations on there available resources. Instead of getting something for free, you should have to consider a counterbalance. You get to further deplete the unsustainable deer (your argument) locally available to you, so you should not get to deplete other meat resources outside of your GMU.

Or, is your argument that the way of life in rural communities is jetting around the state to kill and fly meat back?

Subsistence should require something to insure it is not abused by those who don't need it. Something not monetary that those who actually need it will not struggle under and to avoid the messy business of trying to decide who does or does not actually deserve it through things like income requirements.

Where do you live?

 

[Oregon]

POW residents have long complained about people from Ketchikan coming over to hunt. Guess they finally managed to do something about it.

I lived in Ketchikan 87-90. Every year we would get on the ferry to go get our deer. Every year we would hear about it from the locals we ran into. First deer I ever shot was POW blacktail forky horn.

 

[dieselchessy]

Its been a problem for most of my life. Ketchikan is a big town with no road system. So they go to POW to get their deer. But then the POW folks hunting suffers.
Its the same situation with Idaho and Washington. The Washington folks all go crowd Idaho, so then the Idaho folks get annoyed and push to limit non-res.

SE Alaska has very little road system and the places with the biggest populations seem to have the least amount of road system. So they go to POW. But what are the POW folks to do? Its not like they could just go to Ketchikan to hunt.

They should have kept Ketchikan out of the rural subsistence designation.

There is legislation to change residency requirements. I think its a good idea. Maybe doesn't go far enough.

I think 1 buck per non-resident and non-subsistence qualified is a good thing.

POW has an issue of too much Douglas Desert. Meaning there is too much dense second growth caused by the past intensive logging. The habitats holding capacity is heavily degraded. That coupled with wolves, hunting pressure, and some hard winters and the deer population isnt what it once was.