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Willie IV

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Thinking of getting into the reloading game. Will load for 6CM & 7PRC. I have nothing at this point so need it all, but I do have primers, cases, bullets and powder. Budget to start is $1000. Tell me what to buy! I've read where people who buy kits end up parting them out to buy singular items that may be better than what's in a kit. I'd rather buy once...cry once. Maybe $1000 isn't enough??? Help me out. Thanks!

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I consider myself pretty amateur still, but have been reloading for a few years now. I normally am a "buy once cry once type of guy", but I went with a cheap kit from Lee. I have still been able to reload very good ammo with pretty cheap equipment. I wouldn't let a 1000 dollar budget limit you. Just get started with what you can afford. You will learn a lot as you go. As you begin upgrading, most things will be for more efficiency rather than ammo quality. I would recommend an annealer though. I went with the ugly annealer. This made the biggest improvement in my ammo hands down over all other things I've bought. I'm going to jump up to a zero press now. But thats only because I want to not cuz I need to.
 
Like most, I started with a cheap Lee kit. That was like 25 years ago or somesuch. I still use a surprising number of Lee tools/equipment, and if you grabbed one of those kits, I expect you'd have the same experience. If you do, get the kit that comes with the Classic Cast press, not the cheaper aluminum one.

That said, here's what I would be buying for replacements for my single-stage loading if I lost everything in a fire today:

Calipers: Non-digital/dial only. I have both Lyman and Hornady, both work fine. I presume other non-digital calipers will too.

Priming Tool: Frankford Arsenal Hand Primer (a nice solid steel version of the old Lee hand priming tool that broke on me after 20 years or so of hard use).

Sizing Dies: Forster Benchrest FL sizing dies and Lee Collet's for neck sizing.

Seating Dies: I just use a Frankford Arsenal Universal seating die for everything.

Case Trimmer: Frankford Arsenal Universal trimmer for everything.

Press: RCBS RockChucker Supreme press

Scale: That cheap Lee one is what I've always used.

Powder Dispensers: Lee Perfect, works great for stick powder (others do not), and probably a RCBS Uniflow for ball powder (the Lee gums up with ball powder) but most steel/aluminum body powder dumpers should work good for ball powder.

Shell Holders - I can't tell any are better than others.

And that should get you well on the road.
 
You can make it as complicated as you want. But you honestly dont need all that much to start out.

RCBS kit isnt a bad way to do it. Though you could snag a CoAX press, scale/priming tool of your choice, some dies and be rolling. Buy the rest as the need arises
 
Also, if you're chasing serious precision (vs just chasing saving money on cost per round or getting consistent ammo), before you spend a pile of money on tools to do various jobs, you might look up Austin Buschman's reloading interviews on precisionrifleblog (he's one of the top PRS shooters in the world). It's pretty eye opening the things the doesn't care about (or doesn't care much about), vs what he cares a lot about (eg: per him, case trimming, seating depth, primer pocket cleaning, neck tension, super-clean brass, none of that matters all that much, as long as it's consistent and reasonable). Dude even still runs a Lee Turret press, of all things.
 
The starter kits will get you going, but you'll quickly learn that many of the basic items will end up getting replaced over time for convenience if you plan to load and shoot a fair amount. With a $1,000 budget, I would piece my kit together and invest in the best I could from the start.

- Pretty much any single stage press will work (stay away or read reviews on Frankford Arsenal), my RCBS Rock Chucker works fine, but I'll probably upgrade to the MEC Marksman.
- Hornady Custom Grade dies are cheap and have worked as well or better than others for me.
- Auto chargers are convenient, I still double check precision charges and trickle on a decent beam scale.
- Universal hand primer.
- Motorized case prep station - chamfer, deburr, nylon neck brush (game changer).
- Case trimmer.
- Mitutoyo calipers, just get good ones from the start.
- Hornady or Sinclair headspace/bump gauges with bullet inserts.
- Tumbler/media separator, FA works fine. I use homemade lanolin alcohol lube and tumble in white rice.
- Case block and powder funnel.
 
The only kit I've looked at has been the Lyman Ultimate kit. It looked like the most complete of the kits I've seen so far.

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I kind of see it like buying a four wheeler if you’ve never driven one. It’s hard to know what you like and don’t like until you have some seat time.

Some things add speed to the process like 3-in-one electrically powered trimmers, spray lube, or tumblers. Other things are more expensive based on how they feel in the hand, like a Redding cast iron trickler vs all the rest, or machined aluminum case holder trays or powder funnels vs poorly designed plastic ones.

How the press handle feels can drive you nuts if it’s extra effort without a return, like buying an extra heavy duty press with a long handle for lots of leverage, for just simple basic reloading. I like a big press for heavy duty stuff like case forming and a medium weight press for everything else.

Everyone likes a gadget of some kind, but I’d stay away from them until you understand the process and know what it will or won’t do for you. Kind of like buying mechanic tools before you know what they are good for.

The basic press kits from any of the major brands will easily reload down to 1/2 MOA in an accurate rifle with standard dies, beam scale, medium price brass and just good standard reloading practices without anything fancy.

I have some Lyman, some RCBS, some Redding, some Sinclair, some Wilson, some Hornady and some small company parts, but started with a run of the mill RCBS Rock Chucker press kit and standard RCBS dies. Older RCBS dies seem to be better made than the new stuff. Hornady stuff has a lot of features, but lower in quality than Redding. Lyman is good for the most part.
 
Buy good calipers like Mitutoyo digital 6” and a legitimate digital scale. Don’t skimp on these, you use them every time you reload. Having confidence in your measurements will make you better faster.

Comparators for shoulder bump and cartridge base to bullet give are also invaluable.

I’ve had good luck with Hornady dies. I really like the seating dies because you can switch out the seating stem for different bullets and Hornady dies are cheaper than most.

Press doesn’t matter, mainly preference. Rock chucker, Lee classic cast, etc are all the same. I’m use a rock chucker. Lee classic turret looks good too and is used by some top competition shooters (https://precisionrifleblog.com/2024/10/27/best-reloading-presses-dies-what-the-pros-use/)

Don’t worry about trimming bass until you actually have to.

Although not a reloading tool per se, a chronograph is also a great tool. Being able to measure velocity will help you be consistent and safe.
 
Thinking of getting into the reloading game. Will load for 6CM & 7PRC. I have nothing at this point so need it all, but I do have primers, cases, bullets and powder. Budget to start is $1000. Tell me what to buy! I've read where people who buy kits end up parting them out to buy singular items that may be better than what's in a kit. I'd rather buy once...cry once. Maybe $1000 isn't enough??? Help me out. Thanks!

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This is tough. On the one hand, the kits generally represent a pretty good value, especially if you get one on sale, and they get you started. On the other hand, you'll likely need to supplement the kit and will probably end up replacing many of the non-press items in the kit (regardles of which kit you pick) as you go. As @TaperPin mentioned, you really won't know on what features/gadgets to spend money until you spend some time reloading and trying things.

I started with an RCBS kit. But rather than recommend that or some other kit, I'll list what tools I actually use and some notes. I'm not recommending you buy what I have; I'm just giving you a list to compare kits and what others use to as you make your own decisions.
  • Press - RCBS RC Supreme (Cast iron single stage. No complaints. Does what it's supposed to. A turret press from Redding or Lyman is worth considering but I've not bothered to buy one).
  • Primer - Frankford Arsenal adjustable hand primer (I used the RCBS that came with kit for >10 years but it died recently)
  • Powder - RCBS Chargemaster Lite (Good enough for who and what it's for, and it saves me a bunch of time with extruded powders, but it's has limitations inherent in all dispensors of this type. Check weights are a good idea. I kept balance beam scale from kit as backup. If you're going to use ball powders, the Uniflow or similar works great and is faster. If you're going to shoot competition seriously, an autotrickler and analytical balance or something might be in order, but that's pretty spendy).
  • Dies - I've become partial to Redding, but I can't tell you they produce better ammo than RCBS or Hornady dies that cost less.
  • Calipers - Frankford Arsenal digital. (I've thought about nicer calipers but just don't see the need. Maybe if I was shooting competitively a lot or cared a great deal about my bullet jump it would make more sense)
  • Lube - Hornady wax. One tub lasts for a long time.
  • Loading block - Plastic RCBS that came with kit. I don't like them, but they work well enough to not get replaced.
  • Funnel - Lyman metal with interchangeable funnel spouts. I like it better than the plastic one that came with kit. Fewer spills.
  • Tumbler - Cheapo from Cabela's. I also have a media separator from Cabela's to sift brass out of the media.
  • Case trimmer - Wilson (I still have the RCBS from kit for things I haven't bought Wilson bushings for, but it's collecting dust; if I was shooting multiple 2-day matches per year I would get the new Hornady or something like it)
  • Miscellaneous
    • Case neck brushes - Handles from RCBS kit; have replaced brushes a few times
    • Chamfer/debur - Lyman kit of handheld tools with VLD chamfer, debur, primer pocket cleaners, & primer pocket uniformers. I like the handles; I only use the chamfer and debur tools 99% of the time though. An auto prep station would be nice, I just don't have the bench space/priority for it.
    • Hornady cartridge overall length gauge
    • Hornady bullet comparator kit
    • Hornady headspace comparator kit
    • RCBS shell holders
 
I wouldn’t buy a kit. Buying nice, used equipment will let you get a better start than everything new.

A good single stage press like a Rock Chucker

Hornady dies are best for the money, way better than RCBS

Powder measure or trickler

Manual trimmer to start with

Digital calipers. Hornady ones work, but Mitutoyo is the best

Hornady bullet comparator kit

Hornady OAL gauge is super nice to have
 
A couple of you guys have recommended the Frankfort arsenal hand primer. Not knocking your choices but I have one and have not been happy. Yes it’s smooth and operates well but two of the shell holders are not fit well and the shell will often twist and get stuck or just pop out. Getting replacements has been bothersome to say the least. I bought replacement parts for an old rcbs and it’s been chugging away. Just an fyi for future buyers.
 
A couple of you guys have recommended the Frankfort arsenal hand primer. Not knocking your choices but I have one and have not been happy. Yes it’s smooth and operates well but two of the shell holders are not fit well and the shell will often twist and get stuck or just pop out. Getting replacements has been bothersome to say the least. I bought replacement parts for an old rcbs and it’s been chugging away. Just an fyi for future buyers.
I haven’t had that experience, but I’ve only tried 3 of the shell holders mine came with. As with most budget stuff, QC can be an issue with anything. I can see that being an issue. The seating depth adjustment seemed neat in theory but I don’t use it in practice. I’m not really recommending it, just noting it’s what I use and it’s currently working for me. I’ve thought about a bench primer but something else always take priority.

I kept my RCBS but haven’t tried to rebuild it.
 
Should be easy to get started for less than 1k. For rifle ammo, a single stage press and dies. I have used cheap presses and recently upgraded to a nicer Redding, both work. Priming, to start do it in the press. If doing more ammo, then add a hand primer. Trimming, Lee case trim dies, cost $10 per cartridge. Lube, either spray or a rcbs pad style. Scale, this is where you will spend money. Don’t buy a cheap digital, they are not good. I have a nice beam scale, was around $100 20 years ago. Powder thrower, my favorite is a cheap Lee.

Nice to have, tumbler and corresponding separator. Cheap Franklin arsenal works fine. Buy bird/lizard litter from the pet store instead of expensive reloading media. Get started and figure out what works and doesn’t or what steps takes too long. Then spend the $$ to upgrade where needed or if needed.
 
We recently downsized our home....and so my man cave is now history.........and I had to give up my reloading obsession of many years. Most of my reloading gear went to my Grandson and Son-in-law whom have become accomplished riflemen / hunters. I accumulated some of the very best single stage loading tools and dies accumulated over 45 years of hand loading. Some Wilson hand dies for benchrest and varmint loads and about every other brand out there.

Owned several presses from Harrells to RCBS, but always liked the Redding single stage the best for most work, as well as their dies. They all work....some are buttery. Of course best in class comes at a premium. Also used the RCBS priming tool for volume work....but used the Sinclair hand held for serious accuracy....as well as others. I liked anything that could automate case prep....as that can be drudgery for me. I'm all done witih tight necks, fiited necks, or neck turning and such....not enough juice for the squeeze anymore. Also cus tom chambers and fitted ammo may shoot well.....but the extra time to prepare brass and load to close tolerances is not for everyone. That game can be fun for many....but is a labor of love.

I used to take my ball caliper along when buying brass....and check the thick side and thin side of the brass at the mouth to find a good lot. Low variations are your friend.

I still have and use my original (first one) Stoney Point Bullet seating depth gauge and all the comparator inserts and headspace comparators, etc.....since I originated those tools, now over 35 years ago. Proud that these tools have stood the test of time and this design has proven valuable to so many....as it has to me also. Keeping those originals. Grin.

Learning how to precisely measure and finding repeatability is fundamental. Good easy to use tools help a bunch.

Glad Hornady has this line of products today....as they run a good ship....and Jason has his hands on the wheel. Quality products / Good folks.

As others have said....I far prefer a caliper with a dial indicator over a digital caliper....if you want to squeeze the best accuracy from a caliper. (Still these days I need to convert from imperial measurements to metric all too often.) The Mitotoyo slides so nicely that it is hard to use any other after using those....IMO. I had a Brown and Sharpe for a long time....and think it was one up on the Mitotoyo....but I'm not sure they still make em? I misplaced both of those said here...and now get along with a Starrett....which measures as well. So much good stuff to choose from these days.

I started my reloading with a RCBS Partner kit way back when. Not a bad way to get your hand loading game underway for a low price. Over time you will determine which tools will improve your efforts. I still liked that Partner press and would often take it and a powder measure to the range to try different loads and bullet seating depths.
 
Reflecting on the above.....two things for a new reloader. Yes they are generalities.

1. Learn to make concentric ammo with little run-out of the bullets. Buy a good concentricity gauge. Seat bullets by turning them a time or two to improve concentricity. Learn process control.

2. Seat your bullets out near the rifling. Almost guaranteed accuracy improvements. Experiment.

My 2 cents.
 
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