New Mexico public draw

[HuntandFly]

Tags that are now private land tags will eventually go into the public draw. Right now we are at the stage where the state legislature is trying to figure out their options. The first step is to setup the two allocation buckets to pour those tags into. Any “spinning” is by outfitters, non-residents who don’t want any changes to the system.

The only way to increase odds of drawing for residents and non-residents alike is to add more tags to the public draw. How we do that is currently up for debate in the state legislature….hence this thread.

Your first post in this thread had absolutely 0 to do with E-Plus. You have shifted gears here. I’m betting a fair number of nonresidents would support limitations on EPlus. However, very few of them would support the removal of the outfitter draw alone if they understand the implications for overall nonresident tag allocations.

The good news for you, as a NM resident, is that it doesn’t really matter what us NR’s support. If you want to take more public draw tags for residents, you do you! Just don’t expect us to like it.

 

[WRO]

Your first post in this thread had absolutely 0 to do with E-Plus. You have shifted gears here. I’m betting a fair number of nonresidents would support limitations on EPlus. However, very few of them would support the removal of the outfitter draw alone if they understand the implications for overall nonresident tag allocations.

The good news for you, as a NM resident, is that it doesn’t really matter what us NR’s support. If you want to take more public draw tags for residents, you do you! Just don’t expect us to like it.

Actually it does as NRs pay the majority of the budget for F&G, just the removal of the 5% will cost a million in just elk tags, probably another million across all species. If you get rid of eplus it will create a 10m plus short fall in g&f budgets. On elk alone averaged out its about a 600-700 dollar per tag decrease in revenue.

 

[fngTony]

I never noticed before @WRO official status is “forum weirdo”.

Well deserved after seeing his avatar

 

[WRO]

Well deserved after seeing his avatar

It’s a work of art.


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[bayoublaster7527]

Actually it does as NRs pay the majority of the budget for F&G, just the removal of the 5% will cost a million in just elk tags, probably another million across all species. If you get rid of eplus it will create a 10m plus short fall in g&f budgets. On elk alone averaged out its about a 600-700 dollar per tag decrease in revenue.

That’s always the pinch. These state level hunter’s groups are always looking to decrease Non-resident tags as much as possible. But they typically oppose any increase in resident tags prices. That just doesn’t math.

The other myth that I have a hard time believing is this idea that NM resident hunters can’t ever draw tags. Yeah, if you put in for the Gila and Valle Vidal every year, you probably won’t draw many tags. But that has nothing to do with non-resident hunters.

 

[cal30_sniper]

That’s always the pinch. These state level hunter’s groups are always looking to decrease Non-resident tags as much as possible. But they typically oppose any increase in resident tags prices. That just doesn’t math.

The other myth that I have a hard time believing is this idea that NM resident hunters can’t ever draw tags. Yeah, if you put in for the Gila and Valle Vidal every year, you probably won’t draw many tags. But that has nothing to do with non-resident hunters.

Yeah, I also find that hard to believe. There are plenty of deer and elk tags with real high odds for residents. Leaves one to wonder if people really grasp the way the draw works or what the statistics of drawing a tag actually mean.

 

[RS_Non-Res]

Found a picture of Gila addressing NR's.
IYKYK ...

"Buh bye"

 

[WRO]

Yeah, I also find that hard to believe. There are plenty of deer and elk tags with real high odds for residents. Leaves one to wonder if people really grasp the way the draw works or what the statistics of drawing a tag actually mean.

5 mins of perusing facebook after any state releases draw results on the local state hunters page will tell you all you need to know.

Most can’t fathom draw odds, points, or realistic expectations.

 

[CMF]

The only way to really improve odds in the public draw is to take tags from the private land universe and put them into the public domain.

Agree. Or improve herds, habitat, etc and issue more tags.

How many tags and when is too far down the road to determine at this point. However the first step is to set up the two allocation buckets to pour those additional tags into.

You don't need a "first step". You could pour those additional tags into the current three allocation buckets and improve the odds for everyone in the draw.
Removing the outfitter guide pool has nothing to do with the private tags.

Your first post in this thread had absolutely 0 to do with E-Plus. You have shifted gears here. I’m betting a fair number of nonresidents would support limitations on EPlus. However, very few of them would support the removal of the outfitter draw alone if they understand the implications for overall nonresident tag allocations.

Typical Gila post...

The other myth that I have a hard time believing is this idea that NM resident hunters can’t ever draw tags. Yeah, if you put in for the Gila and Valle Vidal every year, you probably won’t draw many tags. But that has nothing to do with non-resident hunters.

Yeah, I also find that hard to believe. There are plenty of deer and elk tags with real high odds for residents. Leaves one to wonder if people really grasp the way the draw works or what the statistics of drawing a tag actually mean.

I don't think we realize how little some people grasp the actual odds.
I ran into a NR in the east that was telling me about this hunt he'll be going on, any year now, like he's bound to draw it soon. I pressed him on the unit, and it's Valle Vidal hunts. He stays in touch with the outfitter, gets pics, etc. He's ready to go. I tried to explain the odds of actually drawing, but he didn't seem interested in understanding it.