new mexicans not happy with res / non res splits

[Gila]

For example why should hunters support public land grazing?

If you know anything at all about hunting conservation you should know the answer.

I already mentioned it in a recent post here but apparently you don’t read much. The answer is habitat improvement. We also need more logging, thinning, prescribed burns and predator management. To effectively accomplish those activities we need a reasonable amount of roads. If you follow the anti-hunting agenda to re-wild the place: humans and cattle stay away, then no one will be hunting anywhere. Who pays for the lion’s share of wildlife management? The residents do…

Imagine what would happen if 80% of Idaho, Montana residents didn’t draw any big game tag. They would be taking to the streets and yelling bloody murder! Randy is already yammering about too many non-resident tags in Montana. This is a good thing for hunting:

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2026/03/31/usda-doi-move-boost-support-american-ranchers-help-lower-prices-consumers

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Come on, it’s just common sense that if cattle graze all the land and shit up all the water sources that the wild animals do better. Don’t you know anything, [mention]WRO [/mention] ?

If we really wanted the deer populations to do well, we’d turn the entire country into suburban landscapes where the only predators are automobiles.

 

[WRO]

If you know anything at all about hunting conservation you should know the answer.

I already mentioned it in a recent post here but apparently you don’t read much. The answer is habitat improvement. We also need more logging, thinning, prescribed burns and predator management. To effectively accomplish those activities we need a reasonable amount of roads. If you follow the anti-hunting agenda to re-wild the place: humans and cattle stay away, then no one will be hunting anywhere. Who pays for the lion’s share of wildlife management? The residents do…

Imagine what would happen if 80% of Idaho, Montana residents didn’t draw any big game tag. They would be taking to the streets and yelling bloody murder! Randy is already yammering about too many non-resident tags in Montana. This is a good thing for hunting:

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2026/03/31/usda-doi-move-boost-support-american-ranchers-help-lower-prices-consumers

How does degrading riparian areas, eating the exact food sources as elk good for us as sportsman again? Not to mention overgrazing that creates more elk human conflicts as the best available food is on private after the public gets hammered.

While you’re doing mental gymnastics, why don’t you go ahead and prove the assertion that public lands grazing is one of the core tenants of the North American wildlife model?

There’s numerous studies showing that elk and deer avoid roads and people.

My number one goal is to get away from roads and I enjoy wilderness areas.

I don’t disagree that we need more predator control, both 2 legged and 4 legged.

In nm non residents pay the lions share seeing as elk tags for example are between 4x and 10x the cost of residents for example.

I’m guessing that well above 80% of Idaho hunters don’t draw a tag every year, our odds are horrible, don’t know MT but we have OTC to fall back on here.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to support by posting an article where the current administration is trying to turn all our public lands into a feed lot.

 

[WRO]

Come on, it’s just common sense that if cattle graze all the land and shit up all the water sources that the wild animals do better. Don’t you know anything, [mention]WRO [/mention] ?

If we really wanted the deer populations to do well, we’d turn the entire country into suburban landscapes where the only predators are automobiles.

I’m such a moron, my eyes have been lieing to me all these years.


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[wapitibob]

If your state was run better and not one of the poorest in the nation, there’d probably be more residents buying tags.


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He lives in CO and while he can stick up for himself, I'll interject he's a good guy.

 

[WRO]

He lives in CO and while he can stick up for himself, I'll interject he's a good guy.

I don’t think he’s a bad guy, sorry if it came across that way.


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[Legend]

We have history being played out in every western state showing otherwise.

As for tag costs, the highest priced ones are very limited. What’s worse, a land owner getting paid, or 30 cows and calves getting murdered in the winter because they’re on his fields?

In Oregon for example, we have OTC 9 month cow seasons murdering off the best units in the state at the requests of the ranchers.

In NM we have Jennings law, what do you think will happen to those elk that winter on private (never met an elk with ONX) when they have no value to people who’s land they cross onto?

I understand your thought process, but the reality is that if they have no value to the landowners that have to feed and house them much of the year, there will be even less elk and less tags for the public land hunter.

Do you think that private property signs will burned in the street and we’ll all get access? Or maybe Gila will get so rich as the paid spokesman for infinite outdoors he’ll buy the Great Western and let us all hunt for free?

Without question the public hunters is better off if the landowner kills all the elk. As opposed to profiting off public wildlife.

Here is your challenge. Tell your kids or your grandkids about this guy on the internet who claims elk tags will cost 100k someday. And that will lead to less access to tags for the average person. We will see what happens in 50 years.

 

[WRO]

Without question the public hunters is better off if the landowner kills all the elk. As opposed to profiting off public wildlife.

Here is your challenge. Tell your kids or your grandkids about this guy on the internet who claims elk tags will cost 100k someday. And that will lead to less access to tags for the average person. We will see what happens in 50 years.

You do know that elk travel between public and private, and somehow you still think less elk is better for the public land hunter?

I need an explanation on how those pieces go together..

There’s already elk tags that cost 100k in Utah..

If you told me 20 years ago that non resident elk tags were going to north of 2k for non residents in some states, I’d been shocked, I bet we see 5k in the next 20 years.


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