New cook stove on the market

[Chris Neville]

@Primal-Understanding Yes, they will ship when we get our first round of inventory. We will send you an email to get all your shipping info.

We do have to go through and verify each email first. Unfortunately, we have been getting a lot of spam and duplicate emails with different names.

 

[Wprinkle]

My only real issue with this roughridge stove is the lid made of plastic and silicone. I think the pot itself would survive a campfire, but the lid would absolutely burn up.

I use a toaks 750ml nested in a toaks 1100ml. The 750 holds a small fuel canister and a soto windmaster and mini bic. I don't care much for the 750's lid because it doesn't seal tight, but the 1100 converts into a small pan and seals inside the pot lip and creates a tight seal. The lid creating a tight seal is a huge factor with fast boils and minimizing evaporation. I keep it in a waterproof bucket container I took off a GSI Halulite Microdualist. I wish they sold those separate, because it's extremely useful as a sink or hauling around dirty water.

I usually carry a really small titanium firebox around 3oz. I try to use wood fire whenever possible so it's usually worth the weight outside of day hunts or back at camp.

The system as a whole is around 1lb + firebox, but totally worth the weight. I can pull out just the 750ml and tie it in a bandana if I need to drop weight. Versatility and durability is super important to me. Maybe something to consider for future iterations.

I chunk all the plastic/ silicone lids and use a pie pan cut to form a lid that can be sealed.. lighter, fire "proof" and reusable.

 

[schwaf]

I chunk all the plastic/ silicone lids and use a pie pan cut to form a lid that can be sealed.. lighter, fire "proof" and reusable.

Got a photo? I'd love to see it.

 

[2Stamp]

I had a chance to check these out at the Expo last weekend and was impressed with what they are building. The ignitor jumped out to me as being robust, securely tucked into the body of the stove, and easy to manipulate. My current stove has an "ok" ignitor and this one seems nicer.

I also like that the wind screen is removable. When I'm using a hot tent setup in late season I will melt snow with my stove pot on the tent stove to save fuel. The built-in wind screen creates an air gap and slows down the process. Removing it would help the process immensely by increasing surface contact.

I stopped by to see it firsthand also. I was impressed enough to pre-order.

I like the ability to take the screen off, and partly for the ability to set on the side of a fire. I like your thoughts on the ability to put it on a hot tent stove. With the built in fuel regulator it will be interesting to see how much longer a canister lasts.

I liked the igniter and the ability to turn the flame down to more of a simmer. The couple of Jetboils I've owned the ignitors always broke fairly quickly. The MSR Windburner I currenty use, IMO, is a better product than Jetboil, and I have to use a Bic to light it.

It's a small thing, but the water marks for measuring are bold and very easy for my eyes to see. I like how tight the lid fits. We'll see if that lasts with long use.

The Windburner is anywhere from $189-199. So it's $50 more for a lighter setup (5oz lighter than the MSR), a little more flexibility in using the pot, and it looks like a more efficient stove. And the Neville's are passionate hunters. Chris spent longer than he needed talking with me.

 

[Wprinkle]

Got a photo? I'd love to see it.

Ya ill send one tonight but don't overthink it. Use it like tinfoil on a dish but its infinitely more durable/ thicker.

 

[BRTreedogs]

The Soto Windmaster is very fuel efficient, but is still useless without fuel.

Have you ever used a jet boil?
I bought a Soto windmaster and returned it after one trip because it easily used twice as much fuel per boil as my jet boils do.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Have you ever used a jet boil?
I bought a Soto windmaster and returned it after one trip because it easily used twice as much fuel per boil as my jet boils do.

Curious if you used a heat exchanger pot with the Windmaster?

As well, which jetboil stove? Some of them are less than half the rated output as a windmaster, and running them both wide open would show a disparity.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Curious if you used a heat exchanger pot with the Windmaster?

As well, which jetboil stove? Some of them are less than half the rated output as a windmaster, and running them both wide open would show a disparity.

I think it was a toaks 650 so no HE

The regular jet boil w ignitior I think there called the flash.


I’m the perfect customer for a “kit”

It’s a stove to boil water.

I’m not going to great extent on research, waiting for things to come in stock.

And I’m definitely not making any wind guards or cutting any pots.

 

[schwaf]

Have you ever used a jet boil?
I bought a Soto windmaster and returned it after one trip because it easily used twice as much fuel per boil as my jet boils do.

I've used a buddy's jetboil, but not extensively enough to give hard data. I do think that the jetboil is more efficient at boiling water than most stoves, but there are a lot of variables. Heat exchange, wind, fuel output, which model (some jetboils do not have a regulator), koozy, container, altitude, ambient temp, ect.

The thing about jetboils that make them good are that they are an integrated system, so they'll basically get optimal performance out of the box. A jetboils formula is basically integrated burner + wind blocker + heat exchange + koozy + tight lid.

With my windmaster, I try to boil using my 1100 with a pot lid that seals better and has a wider base. The difference between boiling the same amount of water in the 1100 vs 750 is noticeable. I also use a reflective koozy that I made and put it on top while I boil water, which seems to help a lot.

The heat exchange makes a lot of sense, and I think that is a significant contribution to a "jetboils" efficiency. For me personally, not worth it for the volume I would give up and how well my system works together. I actually do use the full volume of both my pots if I'm eating more than freeze dried meals. Often I'll cook enough food for multiple meals and eat left overs. I can easily make 2 big/3 small meals in a 1100 pot and eat it throughout the day. I keep it stored in the 1100 pot, and still have the 750 to boil water throughout the day.

I realize I give up some fuel efficiency with my system in comparison, but the versatility more than makes up for it in my use. The fact that I can use an open fire with my system more than makes up for any efficiency loss with a stove, and the windmaster is plenty capable as a stand alone that I can use for pans/skillets/large pots without extra accessories.

I'm curious what the die hard, stove only guys do when they run out of fuel? Hike back to the truck? Drive to the store? Don't eat?

 

[BRTreedogs]

@schwaf after some more reading I seen you refer to yourself as a bush crafter.
you and I will be polar opposite in how we view, gear, the backcountry etc

We just have completely different goals.

But if my burner failed I’d take the cover off my pot, ruin it in a fire trying to get water boiled, and or just re distribute my non cooking food out into the amount of days I was planning to stay.
And if all that fails I’ll go to town, shower , eat a bacon cheeseburger. Grab my backup stove and try again.

 

[schwaf]

@schwaf after some more reading I seen you refer to yourself as a bush crafter.
you and I will be polar opposite in how we view, gear, the backcountry etc

We just have completely different goals.

That's probably true. I find myself in the minority opinion on a lot of gear philosophy around here, but I also think that hardcore traditional bushcrafters can be silly too. I think that being in the wilderness is no joke, and a casual trip can quickly turn into a survival situation. I've been underprepared, lost in the woods, broken or lost gear, filters clog, batteries die/run out of fuel, through hiked routes that going back to the truck was not an option, stayed in the back country for several weeks, and whatnot. I'm also on solo trips more often than not, so if SHTF, I really need to be prepared with what I've got. Every trip is a learning experience, and I find myself not minding some extra weight if it gives me more capability and redundancy. I think traditional skills are very important, particularly shelter and fire craft, just in case I lose my gear and need to improvise. Hunting is just another skill as far as I'm concerned with the big picture.

I'm aware that I'm in an extreme minority around here that I'll carry a full size leatherman, saw, 5" survival/bushcraft knife in my pack for every trip even if I have no plans to make fire. I also carry a 4" fixed blade knife on my belt instead of a folding pocket knife as my main blade. Everything is capable of dressing game, making fire, shelter, food, defense, ect. and durable enough to take abuse. I don't expect anyone else to do the same, but everyone who has ever camped with me appreciates the skills and capability I bring with me. I can readily drop weight without severe compromise if necessary, but I think the importance of redundancy is overlooked. 2 is 1, 1 is none.

 

[BBob]

I'm curious what the die hard, stove only guys do when they run out of fuel? Hike back to the truck? Drive to the store? Don't eat?

Um, pretty simple. Don’t run out of fuel. Test your gear in the field so you know what it’ll do, plan accordingly and you won’t have issues like running out of fuel. For that matter why couldn’t I prop my heat exchanger pot over some coals to warm up water if I wanted? Silly argument.

 

[schwaf]

Um, pretty simple. Don’t run out of fuel. Test your gear in the field so you know what it’ll do, plan accordingly and you won’t have issues like running out of fuel. For that matter why couldn’t I prop my heat exchanger pot over some coals to warm up water if I wanted? Silly argument.

lol ok. something tells me you would be the first to go home as soon as something doesn't work out. a consumable product being used up? things not always going according to plan? Preposterous!

As far as why you couldn't do something. I dunno, you tell me. Sounds like you've never tried it. Silly argument.

 

[BBob]

lol ok. something tells me you would be the first to go home as soon as something doesn't work out. a consumable product being used up? things not always going according to plan? Preposterous!

Dude, you have no Fooking clue as to what others are capable of

I obviously don’t suffer from or let my (or your) fears stop me from doing what I do.

 

[BRTreedogs]

lol ok. something tells me you would be the first to go home as soon as something doesn't work out. a consumable product being used up? things not always going according to plan? Preposterous!

As far as why you couldn't do something. I dunno, you tell me. Sounds like you've never tried it. Silly argument.

For instance, if I was convinced to be that worried. I’d rather just carry 2-3 complete stove systems.
As once I’m in the backcountry I’m solely focused on finding and killing animals.

Any distractions from that task are unacceptable imo
I’m not there to camp, hangout, cook, bushcraft, building fires or anything of the sort.
I’m focused on my single task of hunting.

 

[schwaf]

For instance, if I was convinced to be that worried. I’d rather just carry 2-3 complete stove systems.
As once I’m in the backcountry I’m solely focused on finding and killing animals.

Any distractions from that task are unacceptable imo
I’m not there to camp, hangout, cook, bushcraft, building fires or anything of the sort.
I’m focused on my single task of hunting.

Dude, you have no Fooking clue as to what others are capable of

I obviously don’t suffer from or let my (or your) fears stop me from doing what I do.

Man, you guys are silly. I'm reminded why I don't spend time on forums.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because you are picking and choosing the most pedantic points I'm making to argue against and ignoring literally everything else that supports it. I'm not talking hypothetical fears, I'm speaking from experience. Cut down your pots and weigh your grams. Eat packaged gourmet meals. Argue about superiority of whatever you decide to buy. Carry the bare minimum weight that you can. Walk around the woods with weapons and only be out there to kill things. Laugh at basic woodsmanship because your wallet replace skills. Brag about being a badass. Watch your forum post numbers grow and get special titles. I don't care. I'm not saying I'm anything special. I just use my stuff and discuss my philosophy and experiences with it. I felt like it was a useful contribution to this discussion. Funny how as soon as I say I don't like jetboils because I can't use them in a fire (as specifically stated by the company themselves), people get all twisted about it and start telling me I'm wrong.

We're arguing about stoves. Stoves. and pots. Good lord, next thing I know I'm going to be arguing about rifle calibers.

Good luck guys. Hope you can cook your delicious elk and deer into more than steaks and burgers and may it fuel your testosterone to the almighty gates of Valhalla.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Man, you guys are silly. I'm reminded why I don't spend time on forums.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because you are picking and choosing the most pedantic points I'm making to argue against and ignoring literally everything else that supports it. I'm not talking hypothetical fears, I'm speaking from experience. Cut down your pots and weigh your grams. Eat packaged gourmet meals. Argue about superiority of whatever you decide to buy. Carry the bare minimum weight that you can. Walk around the woods with weapons and only be out there to kill things. Laugh at basic woodsmanship because your wallet replace skills. Brag about being a badass. Watch your forum post numbers grow and get special titles. I don't care. I'm not saying I'm anything special. I just use my stuff and discuss my philosophy and experiences with it. I felt like it was a useful contribution to this discussion. Funny how as soon as I say I don't like jetboils because I can't use them in a fire (as specifically stated by the company themselves), people get all twisted about it and start telling me I'm wrong.

We're arguing about stoves. Stoves. and pots. Good lord, next thing I know I'm going to be arguing about rifle calibers.

Good luck guys. Hope you can cook your delicious elk and deer into more than steaks and burgers and may it fuel your testosterone to the almighty gates of Valhalla.

Dude

I had a civil conversation with you expressing my difference in addressing situations and concerns and how there different.
I never said you were wrong or your concerns weren’t valid.
They just aren’t concerning to me.

I could give a rats ass what you use or do.
But don’t act all superior like your the all knowing being of the backcountry, just because my values are not the same.

I never said you weee wrong.
I’m just saying I’m not out there on a stupid ass Boy Scout trip earning patches for all the meaningless tasks im preforming.

 

[BBob]

I'm not talking hypothetical fears, I'm speaking from experience.

Experience eh??? Hypothetical fears? What? I told you I don't suffer from those fears so how in the world did you come up with that? I've literally been out there doing this (backpacking, hunting, etc...) for well over 50 years. I started backpacking in the boy scouts as an early teen in the 70's. Somehow I've made it this far??? You do you and I'll do me.

 

[schwaf]

Dude

I had a civil conversation with you expressing my difference in addressing situations and concerns and how there different.
I never said you were wrong or your concerns weren’t valid.
They just aren’t concerning to me.

I could give a rats ass what you use or do.
But don’t act all superior like your the all knowing being of the backcountry, just because my values are not the same.

I never said you weee wrong.
I’m just saying I’m not out there on a stupid ass Boy Scout trip earning patches for all the meaningless tasks im preforming.

Then you must have missed the part where I said I don't mess around while hunting either. But I use the same system regardless of the time of year. "Bushcraft" is a general term, being outdoors for pleasure. "Survival" is what happens when you're out there and it's no longer pleasure. I was having a civil discussion with you too. Never said I was superior or all knowing, but gave specific examples of my experiences and what I'm looking for. Sometimes, hell often times, hunting trips can turn into a survival situation. We should consider ourselves fortunate if we have never been in a life threatening situation. We just had some elk hunters die last archery season in CO after getting caught in a storm that lasted several days. They walked away with minimal gear for an evening hunt, and the storm blew in. They were less than 2 miles from their truck, and it sounds like they were fairly experienced outdoorsmen. It can happen to any of us. Those boy scout skills might save your life someday. Most guys I know can't even tie a bowline knot or start a fire without a lighter.

Rant wasn't specific to you, but anyone who wants to argue with me against basic woodsman skills. People die every year just being in the woods. Most people would have likely survived with a little extra preparation, knowledge, and experience. For anyone reading this who thinks it's about packing fears, that's not it. It's about making use of fundamental skills as opposed to over reliance on technical gear. I don't care how many years of experience someone has, there are fundamental skills that are never outgrown.


Anyway, I'm done. I have nothing else to add to this discussion.

Chris - good luck with your project. I hope to see good things come for you.

 

[foco15]

Looks like a cool product that I will likely try out, if for no other reason than these guys are from the same neck of the woods and I don't mind supporting a new venture.

Can't say that I have had any real issues with my jetboil, other than the ignitor not working after a season, but that is pretty easy to solve with a lighter that I have with me, anyways. I do like the neoprene vs a handle in order to handle the pot as it is a nice hand warmer in the morning.

All of that to say- do I really need this? Nope. But how can I confess to being a gear w***e if I am not constantly tinkering?