New Argali 3P Tent? Help Me Design it.

[Spoonbill]

I think the 3p with stove jack is smart Brad.

Lots of us have wives, kiddos, dogs that tag along on off season adventures when stoves aren't needed.

Being able to use the same tent come fall with your hunting buddy and a stove is a good cost effective approach for guys not looking to own multiple shelters.

I'm a gear junkie that rotates between 6 shelters depending on the situation but I know several of my buddies would be all about a 1 tent solution.

I fall into the category of a 1 tent solution. Something that could fit my girlfriend, myself our dogs and gear and also be able to be used with a stove come hunting season would be ideal.
@Brad@Argali would this be a floorless shelter with an insert or more of a traditional style tent?

 

[Brad@Argali]

I fall into the category of a 1 tent solution. Something that could fit my girlfriend, myself our dogs and gear and also be able to be used with a stove come hunting season would be ideal.
@Brad@Argali would this be a floorless shelter with an insert or more of a traditional style tent?

The design is unique in that nothing quite like it exists. It is a 2 pole design with insert options so you can run it floorless or with inserts/floors.

 

[j3h8]

After reading that it is a two pole design, I want to be a part of the R&D. . I've wanted a two pole design for years to allow for more headroom so as to not feel like I'm dancing the pole when operating in the shelter and I'm not even that tall! Can't wait to see what you put out there.

 

[SikaHuntaa]

I would prefer stoveless for a 3P- the 2P and 4P already have those options so a 1P and 3P without makes sense to me. Can't imagine the weight difference between 3P and 4P is going to be massive so for those that want a "1 tent" set up- the Absaroka fits the bill.

I'm in NZ and have spent more nights than I can count in my Rincon, from chasing tahr and chamois to chasing sika deer. Very variable climates and weather patterns. My issue is at 6ft 7 the top and bottom of my sleeping bag touch the walls when I'm on my air mattress and causes my WM bag to wet out- any indication that the 3P might have better head/leg room when on the mattress?

Been a struggle for years to find a shelter that doesn't cause this, even when double walled. Really enjoy the weight of the Rincon and being able to keep all my gear out of the elements.

Cheers

 

[DuckDogDr]

Personally I’d like a tipi style - 1 door, option for stove.
Biggest thing with me that’s a make or break is a completely closeable / sealed unit that at night can keep bugs and things that slither in the night out.

I understand the design / reasons behind a floor less tent , but wanting one to do everything. I want a floor for my needs 90% of the time.

Maybe a zippered option with removable floor liner ?? Please and thank you..
(I’m actually looking to purchase one this upcoming year ….. legit instant sale if you make happen!!)

 

[Ferkinator]

Am I the only one that thinks a 3p isn't necessary? I mean there is a 1p, 2p, 4p, 6p, 8p and tarp option. all of which could serve the purpose for nearly every situation/scenario. I don't want to piss in anyone's cheerios but unless this comes with some serious weight savings or a lower price point it seems pointless. Dyneema could shave some weight, but the cost would skyrocket. Hinting at a different layout could prove me wrong on all points but it starting to sound like the seek twilight layout, which has a stove jack and is made in the USA. Don't get me wrong I enjoy my Absaroka 4p and think it's a great tent but these are just my opinions on an open forum.

 

[Brad@Argali]

I would prefer stoveless for a 3P- the 2P and 4P already have those options so a 1P and 3P without makes sense to me. Can't imagine the weight difference between 3P and 4P is going to be massive so for those that want a "1 tent" set up- the Absaroka fits the bill.

I'm in NZ and have spent more nights than I can count in my Rincon, from chasing tahr and chamois to chasing sika deer. Very variable climates and weather patterns. My issue is at 6ft 7 the top and bottom of my sleeping bag touch the walls when I'm on my air mattress and causes my WM bag to wet out- any indication that the 3P might have better head/leg room when on the mattress?

Been a struggle for years to find a shelter that doesn't cause this, even when double walled. Really enjoy the weight of the Rincon and being able to keep all my gear out of the elements.

Cheers

Great feedback. And yes, this 3P tent, the way it is designed, would be an ideal 2P for tall people like yourself if you run it without an insert. Do you run an insert?

 

[Brad@Argali]

Am I the only one that thinks a 3p isn't necessary? I mean there is a 1p, 2p, 4p, 6p, 8p and tarp option. all of which could serve the purpose for nearly every situation/scenario. I don't want to piss in anyone's cheerios but unless this comes with some serious weight savings or a lower price point it seems pointless. Dyneema could shave some weight, but the cost would skyrocket. Hinting at a different layout could prove me wrong on all points but it starting to sound like the seek twilight layout, which has a stove jack and is made in the USA. Don't get me wrong I enjoy my Absaroka 4p and think it's a great tent but these are just my opinions on an open forum.

All opinions are fair game here so it's all good. Yes, there is a reason for this tent. It isn't just to make another shelter. It's based on a lot of user feedback we've received and our desire to make something that fits a niche I've heard repeadetdly, which is that most people don't enjoy spooning with their hunting partner in a tent, and that people want a two pole design for more usable space inside. The design and layout is unique in that it will have more interior usable space for a backpacking style shelter, but when used as a 2P the sleeping areas are separate and the vestibule is actually in the center of the tent. The advantages are in the layout and the space configuration.

And the design isn't like any other tent out there.

 

[Brad@Argali]

After reading that it is a two pole design, I want to be a part of the R&D. . I've wanted a two pole design for years to allow for more headroom so as to not feel like I'm dancing the pole when operating in the shelter and I'm not even that tall! Can't wait to see what you put out there.

Noted!

 

[Brad@Argali]

Personally I’d like a tipi style - 1 door, option for stove.
Biggest thing with me that’s a make or break is a completely closeable / sealed unit that at night can keep bugs and things that slither in the night out.

I understand the design / reasons behind a floor less tent , but wanting one to do everything. I want a floor for my needs 90% of the time.

Maybe a zippered option with removable floor liner ?? Please and thank you..
(I’m actually looking to purchase one this upcoming year ….. legit instant sale if you make happen!!)

It will have the option for an insert attachment so you can be sealed up as well as just a floor (no bug netting). I'm not sure I'm tracking what you mean by a removable floor liner. Can you explain more?

 

[Hussar]

My vote is the stove jack/one door option. I was already leaning in this direction, but was sold after the additional information you provided about the vestibule being in the middle. I think the option for a stove offers more benefits than a second door.

If someone wants a stove and two doors, they could always pick up the Absaroka. I'd have to imagine the weight between the Absaroka and this new 3P tent to be similar, all things considered.

 

[DuckDogDr]

DM sent

 

[HighUintas]

All opinions are fair game here so it's all good. Yes, there is a reason for this tent. It isn't just to make another shelter. It's based on a lot of user feedback we've received and our desire to make something that fits a niche I've heard repeadetdly, which is that most people don't enjoy spooning with their hunting partner in a tent, and that people want a two pole design for more usable space inside. The design and layout is unique in that it will have more interior usable space for a backpacking style shelter, but when used as a 2P the sleeping areas are separate and the vestibule is actually in the center of the tent. The advantages are in the layout and the space configuration.

And the design isn't like any other tent out there.

Is spooning possible? I'd like to spoon with my hunting partner, when it's my wife

 

[Nontyp]

I think I would rather have it without a stove jack and the extra room for two people and gear. If you’re going to carry a couple more ounces for a stove, then why not a few more ounces for a four person tent and have plenty of room for guys here in the stove.

I do like a bigger sod skirt so when you
are in Alaska with no trees, you can sit rocks on it

 

[Brad@Argali]

Is spooning possible? I'd like to spoon with my hunting partner, when it's my wife

We have plenty of tents for this kind of camping already!

 

[SikaHuntaa]

I have the insert for the Rincon, have only used it a handful of times vs going floorless 95% of the time as my bag was really getting saturated being pressed against it, when the wind buffeted the outer and pressed it onto my inner. Without the insert I still touch one of the 2 ends as I can't quite get diagonal with the centre pole, without fear of popping my pad.
Do you plan on making a insert that is "solid" to allow for extra warmth without the stove? Or just sticking with the mesh options?
I have some big hunts coming up in some pretty rough terrain so having to decide between bringing the Rincon or a shelter with a solid interior for a bit of added protection.
Not many places make tents suitable for my height and above so would be a nice change.

Great feedback. And yes, this 3P tent, the way it is designed, would be an ideal 2P for tall people like yourself if you run it without an insert. Do you run an insert?

 

[Jon Boy]

I really like the idea. I’d like something that is a palace for one guy with a stove in the late season or could fit two guys and gear early season. Something in between the rincon and absaroka. I’d prefer a one pole shelter but would be curious what this two pole design looks like.

 

[DeePow]

I am intrigued by this concept as well. I love my Rincon but I have a few qualms when it comes to space. Allowing for more sq. feet would be enormously beneficial, especially as I contemplate alternative solutions. The option to add a stove in a 3P is tremendous but only if the design remains as stable as the tipi style Argali has developed. There is a difference between innovating just to innovate compared to merely innovating with a purpose in mind. New designs always offer up flaws that need to be revised so it is challenging to provide too much feedback without knowing this information, nor should Argali share your secrets before R&D has transitioned to production.

I have spent a lot of time in my Rincon and experienced some wild weather this past October that demonstrated why I bought this tent - stability was damn impressive in 40-50 MPH winds with freezing rain transitioning to snow. In this instance I didn't have the stove so the stove jack wasn't installed cutting weight. The product didn't hinder in performance. If the layout of this design is solid and allows for easy planning of entering and exiting - looking at Stone Glacier's front entrance that looks appalling and dirty - then the stove jack seems like a no brainer since the weight penalty is minimal but versatility expands.

Only being a couple hours east of HQ, I love to support Argali and a few of my friends who have met him around have testified to his character. I just persuaded my wife that our family of four, plus two dogs need the Selway for our backpacking excursions but the idea of the 3 person for my son and I when the weather goes south definitely captures my attention. And when packing for two, each pound matters.

 

[Brad@Argali]

I have the insert for the Rincon, have only used it a handful of times vs going floorless 95% of the time as my bag was really getting saturated being pressed against it, when the wind buffeted the outer and pressed it onto my inner. Without the insert I still touch one of the 2 ends as I can't quite get diagonal with the centre pole, without fear of popping my pad.
Do you plan on making a insert that is "solid" to allow for extra warmth without the stove? Or just sticking with the mesh options?
I have some big hunts coming up in some pretty rough terrain so having to decide between bringing the Rincon or a shelter with a solid interior for a bit of added protection.
Not many places make tents suitable for my height and above so would be a nice change.

Open to suggestions on the insert. My initial thinking is that it would have a mesh upper and a solid panel fabric approximately 1/3rd-1/2 of the way up the insert depending on which side of the liner you're thinking of. The real benefit of using less mesh is honestly compactness in addition to slightly more moisture protection, but to be honest I've used the rincon 1/2 insert combo in some gnarly weather and it really does work well.

 

[Brad@Argali]

I really like the idea. I’d like something that is a palace for one guy with a stove in the late season or could fit two guys and gear early season. Something in between the rincon and absaroka. I’d prefer a one pole shelter but would be curious what this two pole design looks like.

Good to hear! As soon as I have something concrete for you to look at I'll share it.