New Argali 3P Tent? Help Me Design it.

[Brad@Argali]

I've been working on a new 3P tent design and I'd like some croudsourced opinions on one of the design components. In particular, I would like opinions from people that run hot tents as well as non-hot tents on whether we should include our ARC removeable stove jack on this tent. Without divulging too much, we have been debating internally whether or not a stove jack is important on this 3P tent. It is a 3P tent and can fit 3 large men with some gear, but is ideal for 2 people and all your gear.

Due to the design, it will either have 1 door and stove jack, or two doors and no stove jack. 2 doors offers better accessiblity, but would eliminate the ability to have a stove jack. We offer other hot tents to accomodate 2 people a stove and gear, and this 3P tent if it had a stove would be a 2P tent with all your gear, but it would be "cozy" with all your gear, stove and a wood pile.

My question for you all: How important is a stove for you in a smaller backpacking style tent like this? Why or why not? Also, how many of you have smaller backpacking tents for the warmer months and hot tents for the colder, wetter season?

And just to manage expectations, we won't be able to make everyone happy with the final product, but I do value experienced opinions so please fire away.

 

[j3h8]

The 3p with a stove could be pretty useful for two guys with gear, but I feel like it would be too tight once you add the stove. Ultimately becoming a large palace for one. This is assuming you're going with typical dimensions per person. Therefore I'd say no stove jack if you're sizing follows the above.

Side note: I hunt with a handful of buddies. Most of the time we are 2 guys per shelter due to the space needed for gear and the desire to not sleep nuts to butts.
The weight savings from a 2p to 3p vs 4p (I own your 4p and love it) wouldn't be so different to force myself to go with a 3p over the larger 4p. I enjoy my space, but I'm also a guy on the internet.

 

[Brad@Argali]

The 3p with a stove could be pretty useful for two guys with gear, but I feel like it would be too tight once you add the stove. Ultimately becoming a large palace for one. This is assuming you're going with typical dimensions per person. Therefore I'd say no stove jack if you're sizing follows the above.

Side note: I hunt with a handful of buddies. Most of the time we are 2 guys per shelter due to the space needed for gear and the desire to not sleep nuts to butts.
The weight savings from a 2p to 3p vs 4p (I own your 4p and love it) wouldn't be so different to force myself to go with a 3p over the larger 4p. I enjoy my space, but I'm also a guy on the internet.

Super helpful to hear. This tent will be unique in the design and space and I will say it will prioritize the space for each individual so you don't have to sleep nuts to butts. Thank you.

 

[HighUintas]

That's a hard question for me. I don't have a hot tent yet, but will get one sometime. I have primarily been looking at the Rincon and absaroka. I currently only use a durston xmid2. I will continue to use that in warm weather but would like to get a hot tent for late season and occasional family camping.

My use of a hot tent would most likely usually only be me, so the Rincon would be fine. However, I'll occasionally have a hunting partner and my wife definitely wouldn't take the Rincon with a stove and try to cram us both in with a stove. I would have to have the absaroka or your 3p.

So, I would say include the stove jack because I would most likely get your 3p when I do get a stove. It would work best for my needs.

 

[Idahobugler]

Archery elk I generally use a tent without a stove, but moving into October/November hunts I use a tent with the stove. Having a 3p tent with a stove jack to use when it gets colder would be very valuable to me personally.

 

[ianpadron]

I think the 3p with stove jack is smart Brad.

Lots of us have wives, kiddos, dogs that tag along on off season adventures when stoves aren't needed.

Being able to use the same tent come fall with your hunting buddy and a stove is a good cost effective approach for guys not looking to own multiple shelters.

I'm a gear junkie that rotates between 6 shelters depending on the situation but I know several of my buddies would be all about a 1 tent solution.

 

[jonnyviceroy]

I think something with a similar footprint to the Rincon but with a two pole design or different from the pyramid tipi style for more “liveable” space would be absolutely fantastic for a one man option with a stove jack.

 

[IBen]

I have over 100 nights in both the 2 and 4 person tents. Only thing id change is move the guy lines higher up on the 4 person tent they are kind of low.

For the sake of your line up have the 1p and 3p being both asymmetrical and stove less makes the most sense. I feel most people are using multiple tents especially people on Rokslide.

Waterproof zippers would be nice too. Without the stove jack perhaps that cost would be offset? I got a hmg ultamid 2 because it is higher by 10 inches with the same foot print as the 2p and has a waterproof zipper

 

[BigAl!]

Stoveless. Fitting 2 with two doors with plenty of room for gear would be perfect.