My side of the BlackOvis/Camofire story - Podcast and Q&A

[mntnguide]

When Muley Freak Eric was convicted the 2nd time, and what I came to believe to be wrongly so, it was certainly a step back moment for me and the business association. There was not a contractual obligation in place so the decision was certainly made by the team, but ultimately I was the one responsible for keeping the brand in the store.

The saying "where there's smoke there's fire" is not lost on me. I get it, we have all made mistakes, but the same style of mistake, TWICE? Hard to stomach, hard to believe.

He is not Innocent of anything. He pleaded guilty behind closed doors with lawyers months later as shown in court records, cause he is a habitual lying POS. He is a weasel and exactly whats wrong with the hunting industry, and you supported his cause. I never spent another cent with your companies after that just like many people.

 

[Marbles]

The saying "where there's smoke there's fire" is not lost on me. I get it, we have all made mistakes, but the same style of mistake, TWICE? Hard to stomach, hard to believe.

People make the same mistake with bad consequences way more than twice quite frequently. It is exceptionally easy to believe.

MF appears to be a manipulator, the only way for an honest person to come out ok when dealing with the morass of lies such people create is to refuse to step into it. Once in, it is not surprising that good people miss the reality.

 

[Bannedinshortorder!]

I just checked out MF's website.
It doesn't say anything about him ever being in trouble.

 

[Bachto]

I just checked out MF's website.
It doesn't say anything about him ever being in trouble.

I hope this is sarcasm..it has to be

 

[bergie]

Where are all the defenders of MF? Every other thread that discussed this had a bunch of folks saying that not shopping at BO was no different than cancel culture. I always am surprised that it shocks me when money trumps ethics, I shouldn’t be so naive.

On the other hand @ktowncamo I do appreciate you taking these questions head on. I don’t agree with you but that’s ok. I too was a loyal BO customer that never spent another dollar with the company after I emailed (twice) asking the same questions about MF loyalty you are answering now.

 

[3forks]

Hard to disagree with you on this. I hope I came across not as defending MF or defending the decision we made. I was trying to cite the reason at the time that we continued to offer MF product.



Both posts and the likes are enlightening for sure. Did this lead to BO declining in sales? Perhaps in some ways. Numbers we tracked showed new customer acquisition was still quite strong up until the end. That said, replacing lost customers comes at a much higher cost, one we likely overlooked. Lesson learned.

“Both posts and the likes are enlightening for sure”…

After MF was convicted - didn’t the amount of comments online, and direct questions posed to your company from customers who specifically asked you why BO still supported MF give you some indication that your continued support of MF was an issue, or at the least something you’d need to address?

And, if you went through the effort to investigate the charge with MF yourself, why no statement from you / the company addressing customer’s concerns about your company’s lack of response to the MF inquiries? The amount of people who stated they reached out asking for an answer and got no response at all is indicative of something in and of itself.

I’m late to this discussion, but I’m glad to see the question about your/BO’s support of MF being raised. Others may be appreciative of you coming on here to share your side of what occurred - but to me - the explanation of your support of MF seems disingenuous. And frankly, your explanation for your association with MF makes me question your whole rationale for starting this discussion.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I asked the MF question because it was perplexing, that said:
-We got an answer about the MF situation
-There has been expression from numerous folks they don't agree with the logic in the answer
-Enough folks have reiterated it cost business and maybe that is enlightening.
-The "what was BO thinking" question has been answered, even if the answer isn't liked. He didn't have to answer.
-I appreciate an answer was provided.

All that said, I don't see a point in beating on the topic further, BO is out of business, we got the question answered and the points have been made.

 

[Bannedinshortorder!]

So we won't be getting San Juan gloves?

 

[fngTony]

@ktowncamo This was likely pure speculation by a few but was there any truth to Hush acquiring the BO branded gear or was that partnership purely just a mutual marketing move without any ownership changes?

 

[fngTony]

Another question, surely I’m not the only one raising an eyebrow at how long it’s taking to liquidate the inventory. Probably out of your hands but any insight?