Montana corner crossing lawsuit.

[T-Rex]

 

[rob86jeep]

I've said it before and stick to it. There is not a single person out there that is against corner crossing unless they're trying to block access to public land. And if there is, I would love to have a conversation with them and find out why...

 

[StupidLightweight]

I've said it before and stick to it. There is not a single person out there that is against corner crossing unless they're trying to block access to public land. And if there is, I would love to have a conversation with them and find out why...

That’s 99.99% of it. The other .1% who are against corner crossing could be afflicted with Climacophobia, the persistent, intense fear of climbing, specifically using ladders or stairs. Overcoming this fear requires a mix of gradual exposure and proper, secure ladder training.

 

[jkoehle1]

What I told hunters for years, is that it’s never (before the 10ths decision) been determined demonstrably one way or the other. If you do corner cross, there is a chance you could be charged. At that time our department decided to stay out of it just because there was no statute that clearly demonstrated (one way or the other) the legality or illegality of corner crossing. BUT that a county attorney may (which is exactly what happened in Wyoming).

It is sad that our department changed its view (or more likely someone changed it for them), especially in light of the 10ths decision.

Someones lying and it isnt @mtwarden

 

[mtwarden]

Wow! Either he got some wrong information or……

The departments position for a long time wasn’t that it was legal (or illegal), but that it never had been settled one way or the other and because of that, we (wardens) would steer any landowner with corner crossing issues to the county attorney. We never (ever) issued any citations for corner crossing.

 

[One300wsm]

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Someones lying and it isnt @mtwarden

Wow! Either he got some wrong information or……

The departments position for a long time wasn’t that it was legal (or illegal), but that it never had been settled one way or the other and because of that, we (wardens) would steer any landowner with corner crossing issues to the county attorney. We never (ever) issued any citations for corner crossing.

That was before the Wyoming ruling, and billionaire land owners in Montana started shoving $$$$$$ into pockets.
I mean what more could you ask for he’s protected and gave you access to 250,000 acres since 2021 with the help of the RMEF. The RMEF Since 2021, has helped open or improve public access to over 65,000 acres of land in Montana.
Nationally, RMEF has eclipsed 9 million acres of lifetime conservation and public land access, with Montana historically holding the highest concentration of RMEF project acres—totaling over 920,000 acres since the organization's founding . Every hunter in Montana should be a life member.
Randy Newberg for Governor!!!

 

[MtnW]

Someone who is a resident of MT needs to publicly call out the lying governor Gianforte, and embarrass him in front of his constituents

 

[jmez]

One of the writers for Outdoor Life is following thus, researching it and posting on Facebook. A few days ago he started looking into the billionaires, political donations etc to try to expose the money trail.

He's not finding any. Appears the push is coming from ranchers, outfitters, and hunters. Been interesting to read and not what I expected.

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[One300wsm]

One of the writers for Outdoor Life is following thus, researching it and posting on Facebook. A few days ago he started looking into the billionaires, political donations etc to try to expose the money trail.

He's not finding any. Appears the push is coming from ranchers, outfitters, and hunters. Been interesting to read and not what I expected.

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That is most likely correct, and myself probably over stated the word “billionaire”.
There’s probably 6 - 12 so called true billionaire land owners in Montana and Ted just passed away RIP, guess I should have used the word “Wealthy”.
There are approximately 27,000 working ranches in Montana starting from 2,100 acres and up. 2,100 acres is worth between 8 to 25 million in Montana. So its ether been handed down through generations or purchased, which means your ether wealthy or have awesome credit.
Most of these ranchers lease their ranches to outfitters or they Ranch and Outfit.
Example:
CB ranch near Darby does both and owns approximately 26,000 acres,
I tend to call these ranchers billionaires maybe overstating.
My bad I have over stated the dollar amount in this thread by a couple zeros lol.

 

[Rich M]

You guys crack me up.

When I said that the GW in WY told me that he'd ticket me for corner crossing & not to do it, Rokslide said I and the GW were wrong cause of some old memo. Go and do what makes you happy 1/2 a continent from home.

Now MT is wrong.

You-all need to get yer shit straight - until the courts rule and the laws change, it is illegal. Suck it up or pay the trespass fines.

 

[jkoehle1]

You-all need to get yer shit straight - until the courts rule and the laws change, it is illegal. Suck it up or pay the trespass fines.

Laws need to be written. Or intrepreted from something thats written. Simply stated - no reasonable person would/can conclude that its law. America would certainly suck if the laws were as flexible as you think.

For a parallel in the 2A world - think about the atfs "pistol brace rule" that was fabricated out of thin air to add classifications based on certain features not listed in the GCA to an sbr.

It was the same thing - fiat rule.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

You guys crack me up.

When I said that the GW in WY told me that he'd ticket me for corner crossing & not to do it, Rokslide said I and the GW were wrong cause of some old memo. Go and do what makes you happy 1/2 a continent from home.

Now MT is wrong.

You-all need to get yer shit straight - until the courts rule and the laws change, it is illegal. Suck it up or pay the trespass fines.

 

[jkoehle1]

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Forgot to tell ai to unthread the barrel on the 340 fudderby

 

[StupidLightweight]

You-all need to get yer shit straight - until the courts rule and the laws change, it is illegal. Suck it up or pay the trespass fines.

They courts have ruled, and thus far, they've determined that corner crossing isn't trespassing because private land is never touched. As someone pointed out earlier, the only reason this is an issue is to keep the public out of public lands. No one should suck it up and pay trespass fines if they haven't trespassed.

 

[MTBackroads]

Every single person that pays an outfitter in Montana is funding the fight against public land access.

 

[jmez]

Every single person that pays an outfitter in Montana is funding the fight against public land access.

That is what this Outdoor Life writer is finding.

 

[jkoehle1]

That is what this Outdoor Life writer is finding.

Link?

 

[StupidLightweight]

Unfortunately, this issue highlights a growing schism in the hunting world. We have two camps: those who pay money to pursue game and those who make money in the pursuit of game.

I'm all for landowners, outfitters, and guides making a living, but when they go to great lengths to monetize a public resource and prevent access from those who aren't lining their pockets, my sympathy evaporates. If you don't want competition, stick to private land. Public land is for everyone.

 

[jmez]

Link?

Look up Rack Junkies on Facebook

 

[Axlrod]

Unfortunately, this issue highlights a growing schism in the hunting world. We have two camps: those who pay money to pursue game and those who make money in the pursuit of game.

I'm all for landowners, outfitters, and guides making a living, but when they go to great lengths to monetize a public resource and prevent access from those who aren't lining their pockets, my sympathy evaporates. If you don't want competition, stick to private land. Public land is for everyone.

One more camp, is the land owners/ realestate brokers. In the Wyoming case, the land owner was suing the hunters for loss of value of his land after public access. So these propeties are including the value of private access to public lands. So if the public can't access the land, the land owner that profits from it should be paying resort like property tax on all public land they are blocking.