Corner crossing experiences in 2025

[mad_angler]

Just to play the other side of this... before we got backpacking figured out. we would gut and leave animals to come back in with horses or take half out and come back for the other half the next day. people do this with deer all the time. I have never had meat spoil. If nights are below 40 and daytime highs are below 55 you can get by leaving hide on.
IF and When we would do this, we would gut them, get them propped up on sticks or logs, split the skin to get air between the ribs and the shoulder, cut down to the ball joint in the hip and dislocate it and maybe split the muscles in the rear ham. spread the legs and rib cage with sticks. I'm sure hide off and packed immediately is better, but I quite like aging quarters with the hide on for a week when I can. It's a lot more organized when butchering and you waste less with drying.
I think everybody in america would be shocked to see how meat is handled in most warmer countries of the world. All of the advice above is great and leads to great meat, but if you're trying and get good air flow it should be okay. I don't think it saves any work and might add a step compared to gutless. It just changes the timing of some of the work.

They wouldn't be "protected" by the recent ruling by the 10th Circuit because that ruling used the Unlawful Inclosures Act as a basis for that ruling. So, crossing at a corner where there was other public access to the parcels may not be treated in the same manner.

From the Unlawful Inclusures law:

§1063. Obstruction of settlement on or transit over public lands​

No person, by force, threats, intimidation, or by any fencing or inclosing, or any other unlawful means, shall prevent or obstruct, or shall combine and confederate with others to prevent or obstruct, any person from peaceably entering upon or establishing a settlement or residence on any tract of public land subject to settlement or entry under the public land laws of the United States, or shall prevent or obstruct free passage or transit over or through the public lands:

(Feb. 25, 1885, ch. 149, §3, 23 Stat. 322.)


To me, the key word is obstruct. The corner crossing in question is legal and protected. The hunter could have walked 6 miles to get to the public land. But the landowners are clearly obstructing his access.

 

[MuleyFever]

Does the Unlawful Enclosures Act or the recent court ruling specifically say it only applies to land with no access other than a corner? I thought the Unlawful Enclosures Act referred to blocking access to any public land. That makes me believe that at any corner one cannot block access to the public land.

 

[chucko]

If you look at the first picture from Monday at 2.12 pm from Long Way Around you will see that the brass cap is niether a Benchmark or Section Corner but rather a reference monument to the actual USGS monument be careful when reading caps as I am a surveyor and are typically required to to set 2 reference mons to section corners or USGS benchmark monuments they will say reference mon and the arrow will point to the actual corner

 

[LostArra]

Interesting read

We Corner Crossed the Wyoming Ranch That Started It All. Accessing Those Public Lands Is Still Complicated

The author returns to the corner of BLM ground and Wyoming ranch that started the corner-crossing lawsuit to summit Elk Mountain.

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[S.Clancy]

From the Unlawful Inclusures law:

§1063. Obstruction of settlement on or transit over public lands​

No person, by force, threats, intimidation, or by any fencing or inclosing, or any other unlawful means, shall prevent or obstruct, or shall combine and confederate with others to prevent or obstruct, any person from peaceably entering upon or establishing a settlement or residence on any tract of public land subject to settlement or entry under the public land laws of the United States, or shall prevent or obstruct free passage or transit over or through the public lands:

(Feb. 25, 1885, ch. 149, §3, 23 Stat. 322.)


To me, the key word is obstruct. The corner crossing in question is legal and protected. The hunter could have walked 6 miles to get to the public land. But the landowners are clearly obstructing his access.

Does the Unlawful Enclosures Act or the recent court ruling specifically say it only applies to land with no access other than a corner? I thought the Unlawful Enclosures Act referred to blocking access to any public land. That makes me believe that at any corner one cannot block access to the public land.

I believe it was the original judge in WY that stated in his ruling that it only applied to tracts with no other legal access point, other than crossing the corner.

 

[MuleyFever]

I believe it was the original judge in WY that stated in his ruling that it only applied to tracts with no other legal access point, other than crossing the corner.

That would be interesting. If the UEA was used as the reason and the UEA prohibits blocking access in any way to public then it would apply to all corners equally. I suppose eventually someone is going to find out.

 

[Coveyleader]

If you look at the first picture from Monday at 2.12 pm from Long Way Around you will see that the brass cap is niether a Benchmark or Section Corner but rather a reference monument to the actual USGS monument be careful when reading caps as I am a surveyor and are typically required to to set 2 reference mons to section corners or USGS benchmark monuments they will say reference mon and the arrow will point to the actual corner

There are a lot of surveyors out there these days. ONX, a phone, 5 minutes on a few websites, what more is there?

To add to the thread in a serious manner, last year no need. This year in WY, antelope, absolutely!

 

[S.Clancy]

That would be interesting. If the UEA was used as the reason and the UEA prohibits blocking access in any way to public then it would apply to all corners equally. I suppose eventually someone is going to find out.

I think the reasoning was if there is another access point the public technically isn't being "unlawfully enclosed".

 

[ndhuntermanND]

What do you guys think about situations where physical fences dont align with electronic mapped boundaries?

 

[Bubblehide]

What do you guys think about situations where physical fences dont align with electronic mapped boundaries?

All the mapping software has a statement for possible errors. In short, both sides of that equation make errors. From the criminal perspective, it requires some intent, total ignorance... but if you use mapping software, i.e., Onx... thete is no intent. Civil is a different matter.

 

[MuleyFever]

What do you guys think about situations where physical fences dont align with electronic mapped boundaries?

Electronic mapped boundaries like OnX are not accurate.

 

[Neumie]

Electronic mapped boundaries like OnX are not accurate.

Fences are not accurate in my experience.

 

[mad_angler]

What do you guys think about situations where physical fences dont align with electronic mapped boundaries?

I have heard in many places to consider electronic boundaries and fences as rough guidelines. A brass/concrete section marker is the only think you can trust.

 

[Coveyleader]

What do you guys think about situations where physical fences dont align with electronic mapped boundaries?

Fence locations mean nothing. They can be used as a guide, but in a lot of BLM scenarios they are far from correct.

 

[Indian Summer]

Ummmmm.... If the parcel is completely landlocked there wouldnt be any corners to cross now would there?

I was referring to checker boarded as opposed to being to access a section from an adjacent section. Basically that wouldn’t fit the definition of corner crossing. It would probably have had hunting pressure prior to the new ruling and therefore no one would question how a hunter accessed it. Checker boarded used to mean landlocked.