Minimalist Footwear: Is ankle support necessary?

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I know there are quite a few guys here rocking the VIVO barefoot high tops as well as guys wearing lighter weight boots and trail runner style footwear. I am eyeing the atra lone peak hikers, but I don’t know if I really need the high ankle. For 99% of my hiking (sub 30lb pack) I wear trail runners, but I still can’t seem to find a hunting boot that fits me well despite being comfortable in pretty much any pair of trail shoes.

I am considering just going to a trail shoe for all my hunting, but I am concerned with pack outs when using an unstructured low top shoe. Do you guys find that the relatively unsupportive higher uppers on lightweight hikers like the Vivo or lone peak hikers help to mitigate ankle issues? Or can I just use a lowtop trail shoe? I am not concerned with water ingress on a lowtop for this use.
 
I dont think the high top vivos provide any ankle support, its more protection. I dont have a problem with heavy loads wearling lone peaks. My only concern would be they are for lack of a better word a bit sloppy fitting for me as in my foot moves in them a bit more than some other barefoot or trail shoes. This generally is not an issue but might be for heavy loads in sketchy rocks. Honestly I would not worry about it though.

If I need ankle support I go straight from vivos or tail shoes to Crispis. I really only do this when bird hunting logging slash where I might be traversing slash piles where a slip and ankle twist is a real thing. And even there I do it less and less, this year Im not sure any of my crispis will see the woods at all.
 
I do not wear true minimalist footwear but I’ve packed all manner of loads in all kinds of terrain with Solomon mids. I’ve tried some trail runners and even tennis shoes and they are fine as well unless the sole/heel is really thick, in which case they tend to roll over the ankle easier on steep side hills.

I like lower drop at the heel in general, lighter and thinner in general. I like mids mostly for keeping rocks and crap out of the shoe, I don’t think the “ankle support” is really much of a factor.
 
I don’t use a taller boot for ankle support for water resistance, keeping crap out of my boots, and they seem to lock my foot in a little better and keep the boot from the feeling like it’s rolling on a side hill.

Ankle support is just like under foot support in this case imo. You don’t need it if your body is used to not having it. It may take years to feel like you don’t need a Frankenstein boot, it did for me.
 
I have never understood the idea that a stiff, high boot will somehow help with hauling a load - seems like a boot marketing ploy. Personally, the heavier and more awkward the load, the more ground feel and motion I want. I've yet to see strongman guys clunking around in Herman Munster boots managing crazy weights in awkward positions - wrap their knees to tourniquet levels yah, big ankle contraptions no. I just wear "trail shoes" the majority of the time, currently the Topo Terraventure WP's. The more you use 'em, the less appealing bulky restrictive footwear becomes. (y)

And a FWIW, I've found the Topos to be leaps and bounds more durable than Altras. I got three seasons of rough country use out of my last Topos and well into a second on my current Trailventures...while having a pair of Altra runners crack apart in the forefoot just from running on roads. YMMV
 
I do not wear true minimalist footwear but I’ve packed all manner of loads in all kinds of terrain with Solomon mids. I’ve tried some trail runners and even tennis shoes and they are fine as well unless the sole/heel is really thick, in which case they tend to roll over the ankle easier on steep side hills.

I like lower drop at the heel in general, lighter and thinner in general. I like mids mostly for keeping rocks and crap out of the shoe, I don’t think the “ankle support” is really much of a factor.

I have never understood the idea that a stiff, high boot will somehow help with hauling a load - seems like a boot marketing ploy. Personally, the heavier and more awkward the load, the more ground feel and motion I want. I've yet to see strongman guys clunking around in Herman Munster boots managing crazy weights in awkward positions - wrap their knees to tourniquet levels yah, big ankle contraptions no. I just wear "trail shoes" the majority of the time, currently the Topo Terraventure WP's. The more you use 'em, the less appealing bulky restrictive footwear becomes. (y)

And a FWIW, I've found the Topos to be leaps and bounds more durable than Altras. I got three seasons of rough country use out of my last Topos and well into a second on my current Trailventures...while having a pair of Altra runners crack apart in the forefoot just from running on roads. YMMV
^I think these guys are right.

I just don't see how additional floppy fabric around your ankles provides any meaningful level of "support," when considering the force the support is working against (your body + a load on a lever far above the fabric ankle "support.")

I think "support" is better conceptualized as "stability," which can come from a flat, wider platform.

Some trail running shoes, even low-drop ones, have high stack heights which are plush but create instability. Those are less stable and increase the chance of an ankle injury, even if they have a high top.

Again, in my opinion and experience, lower-drop and lower-stack-height shoes will hurt with a heavy packout. Not due to lack of "ankle support" but due to lack of protection--your feet are more exposed to the ground and they just plain hurt.

A long way of saying: I don't think higher shoes, themselves, provide any additional meaningful layer of ankle stability. And I don't think there'd be a meaningful difference, from the perspective of pack-out pain, between a thin "minimal" shoe or boot with a higher ankle versus without a higher ankle.

That said, it's certainly true that a packout in a shoe with less protection is going to hurt your feet more. But there's a tradeoff between that and blisters, the 90%+ time when you're not carrying heavier loads, long-term lack of mobility and chance of injury, etc. etc.
 
I tend to agree with what's been posted above.

Try a little experiment. Stand barefoot and try to roll your ankle. Then do it again with big boots with "ankle support" and see what feels more stable to you. I'm not even joking, really, try it and see what you feel. There's no replacement for your own experience. Granted, it's not the same as with a heavy load on the mountains but the principle is the same.

For me, taller barefoot style boots offer a bit more protection from rocks, sticks, weather, etc. They don't add stability over lower height minimalist footwear.

All that said, I'd personally never use Altras on the mountains. I used to love them, but over time I noticed the foam compressed really quickly and started giving my feet problems. Also, the stack height is a problem for me (more prone to rolling an ankle). If I was going for totally minimalist I'd wear Vivobarefoots Magna's or maybe even Primus Trail's with short gaiters. Everyone is different and if you haven't built your foot strength up that's probably not a wise choice for everyone but it works for me.

Do some testing and see what works best for you. I have a couple pairs of Crispis that I loved and used heavily for years. I almost never wear them now. I did a test on a steep archery mule deer hunt with back to back days comparing my favorite Crispis to the Vivo Forest ESC's and the Vivo's came away the clear winner in every category for me except waterproofness.

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Thanks for confirming what my plan already was, I have quite a few pairs of lowtop altras and Topos- so I think I’ll be ditching the boots at home until it gets cold or wet. I have never had an issue with low tops, but I haven’t made a habit of sidehilling with them and a heavy pack either.

Would love to hear additional info that anyone may have.
 
If I didnt have ankle support this past weekend I would have rolled my ankle badly 3-4 times lol
I don't want to start a debate, but consider this question: How much lateral force did you exert on your ankle? Consider your weight, your pack weight, and the leveraging effect of your height.

How much lateral support to your actual ankle joint do the high-top boots provide? Maybe push against the high-top with your arm. Do the two add up? Does it make sense that the high tops actually prevented an ankle roll, or are you just attributing the lack of an ankle roll to the high tops?

I say all this having come from a USFS trail crew that required high boots, to running trails (and frequently turning ankles) with road shoes and higher-stack-height trail shoes, to low-stack-height trail shoes. It's entirely clear to me which results in fewer ankle rolls: the low-stack-height shoes. By a long shot. But, my feet do hurt after many miles of rocky terrain.

And, as noted above, it's your experience that counts; I fundamentally don't care either way.
 
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