Military Shed Horn Hunting

[awcopeland]

Yes. I do live in an area with elk. Had them in the yard tonight as well as some deer.

My comment had nothing to do with my opinion of shed hunting. It had everything to do with you unrealistic expectations that all service members should have sound decision making abilities simply because they wear the uniform (zero vector). You came across as extremely passionate about that stance (all thrust).

The military is simply a slice of the general populace pie. There’s high performers and dirt bags, to include criminals of all types. If you don’t believe me find someone in the military that you respect and ask their opinion. I’d be extremely shocked if it’s much different.

Also, consider being a relatively young MALE with a piece of equipment that 99% of the population has no idea how to control and tell me you wouldn’t go cool places and do some potentially stupid things. I think that’s either unrealistic or you’re a wet blanket.

All that to say: please temper your expectations of our military. In the grand scheme of things these guys didn’t go murder a village. They landed on private property and stole some antlers (allegedly). They don’t deserve to be crucified, but they should be held accountable.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Do you think it's alleged? I suppose they found no antlers as part of the investigation.

There's no wet blanket involved here, if guys want to represent the US of A, there's an expectation. And it does nothing but a black eye for everyone who doesn't. That's an excuse and nothing more.

Shed hunting is a weak past time and if guys give a crap about populations of species as a whole, they'd stay the heck away from it. But they don't.

 

[awcopeland]

Do you think it's alleged? I suppose they found no antlers as part of the investigation.

I only put that because I’m not part of the investigation and I still live in America where people are innocent until proven guilty. I believe there’s an amendment covering something along the lines of due process of law, but could be wrong. Please advise.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Assuming they had no antlers, then they were dumbasses doing stupid things with million dollar equipment on my dime. Lol, in case you haven't noticed, I still live in America too, and most of the guys on this forum do. That has nothing to do with due process, it has everything to with abuse of the situation that they weren't mature enough to handle, so why were they entrusted with the situation to begin with?

Egos are bigger than brains.

 

[awcopeland]

Assuming they had no antlers, then they were dumbasses doing stupid things with million dollar equipment on my dime. That has nothing to do with due process, it has everything to with abuse of the situation that they weren't mature enough to handle, so why were they in it.

I hope you’ve never made a mistake while at work…. That would be a real shame…

 

[35WhelenAI]

You're saying nobody's held to another higher standard than other? No matter what uniform or badge they're wearing? Some folks take an oath for their job. That's a higher standard in most books.

With that said, helicopter or not, shed hunting is a a ridiculous past time and unless folks are making money for it or get notoriety for it, they don't seem to take part in it.

Getting out and enjoying the woods, do it in the summer. Then there's no question about a conflict of interest with respect to shed dead bone versus health of any animals involved. Is there disagreement with that?

 

[awcopeland]

You're saying nobody's held to another higher standard than other? No matter what uniform or badge they're wearing? Some folks take an oath for their job. That's a higher standard in most books.

With that said, helicopter or not, shed hunting is a a ridiculous past time and unless folks are making money for it or get notoriety for it, they don't seem to take part in it.

Getting out and enjoying the woods, do it in the summer. Then there's no question about a conflict of interest with respect to shed dead bone versus health of any animals involved. Is there disagreement with that?

Dude, I’m in the military. I understand my oath. I don’t share your same passion in regards to shed hunting. I also live in southern NM (not to be confused with Mexico). The parenthetical is what most would consider comedy.

Let the law and military sort this out. The fact that a GO is involved says a lot to me. These dudes will probably regret the outcome if they don’t already. Your comments concern me. I’d being willing to bet you don’t share the same passion of standards for the people you voted for last November regardless of what side of the isle you fall on.

Also, RokSlide is social media too.

Btw, I wasn’t calling you a wet blanket. Just saying you need to remember that everyone is human, even those of us that serve.

 

[awcopeland]

Also, if the military has taught me anything, its perspective. Nobody died here and equipment wasn’t damaged. Fix the situation, prevent it from happening again (ie hold the crew accountable), and move on.

The civil work force has a really difficult time with this from my experience. Most people IMO can’t differentiate between urgent and important when given a problem.

 

[35WhelenAI]

I appreciate what you're saying, helps to have another perspective. Yeah let's agree to get along and the grand scheme of things is what we're after.

 

[awcopeland]

I appreciate what you're saying, helps to have another perspective. Yeah let's agree to get along and the grand scheme of things is what we're after.

Deal. Btw, thanks for helping me boost my post count. Maybe eventually I’ll get an extra name in the hat for cold bow challenge.

 

[Legend]

Here's a story.....I was working for the state and flying in a state owned helicopter over private land. We spotted a good shed. Pilot circled and was looking for a place to land. He was dead set on picking up that shed. I had to step in and tell him no. I got the impression it wasn't a uncommon practice.

That said it is embarrassing to have military personal setting such a poor example. Poor choices were made and I bet they regret it.

 

[mt terry d]

Let the law and military sort this out.

"We put our lives on the line"
"Held to a higher standard"
"After we thoroughly investigated ourselves we took the appropriate disciplinary measures"

Got it.

 

[awcopeland]

"We put our lives on the line"
"Held to a higher standard"
"After we thoroughly investigated ourselves we took the appropriate disciplinary measures"

Got it.

What do you consider to be appropriate course of action for discipline for this case? Sounds like you haven’t been in the military or a least not an aviator in the military. A Q3 stays with you if you want to fly outside of the military. And depending on what kind of job you are seeking this level of lack of airmanship speaks volumes. Nobody in the civil work force has anything relatable to dishonorable discharge, less than honorable discharge, or other than honorable discharge.

So, again what do you suggest is appropriate for the actions at hand? Don’t come here to complain if you can’t stick your neck out with an attempt at a viable solution. I’ve tried to be reasonable but have only been met with witch hunt mindsets.

 

[highcountrymuley]

With that said, helicopter or not, shed hunting is a a ridiculous past time and unless folks are making money for it or get notoriety for it, they don't seem to take part in it.

I'm not much of a shed hunter anymore and I have never sought " notoriety" from it but I used to shed hunt alot. I sold a small number - actually traded them for a big deadhead skull. I loved finding antlers just to get a big one. I agree that it is ridiculous to post videos of yourself kicking ass at shed hunting but you are painting with a broad brush. I know people in all stages of interest / disdain of shed hunting and can empathize with all of them! I think selling sheds should be illegal and that might curb some of the fever. I have my own little stash that I like to poke through and remember the good times.

I would not oppose it being made illegal to pick up a shed... it has gotten out of hand with disturbing wildlife and going out earlier than the CO closure allows. I have seen the same truck parked on a blm rd (half a mile from my house, winter range for lots of deer) several times this year before may 1 opening. There are hunting stickers all over truck and there is a great likelihood that he was out shed hunting illegally multiple times. I was so mad- I took pictures of plates and was thinking about waiting and confronting him or calling cpw... but what for? They don't enforce the law. Also it is legal to blast all over on a motorcycle on this land. They dropped 15 wolves on same land during the winter so nobody gives a $%!* about the animals anyway. Even us hunters can't help ourselves. Love them to death!!!

 

[highcountrymuley]

And about the helicopter shed hunters - I ve gone around and around with what I think their consequences should be. Like said here - no one was murdered - don't ruin their whole lives over a stupid error in judgement. It was very dumb and they will be punished by their superiors. It helps keep it in perspective to hear aw... remind us that the military is a representative cross section of the populace : some dumbasses and all of the spectrum.

 

[mt terry d]

What do you consider to be appropriate course of action for discipline for this case? Sounds like you haven’t been in the military or a least not an aviator in the military. A Q3 stays with you if you want to fly outside of the military. And depending on what kind of job you are seeking this level of lack of airmanship speaks volumes. Nobody in the civil work force has anything relatable to dishonorable discharge, less than honorable discharge, or other than honorable discharge.

Well, a 20 (?) something year old employee of mine, whose training I paid for, using my helicopter to do this when he should be working for me would be fired without getting any job references from me . Sounds like a dishonorable discharge would be a similar penalty, so Yeah, dishonorable discharge seems very appropriate.

So, again what do you suggest is appropriate for the actions at hand? Don’t come here to complain

I haven't complained. I don't intend to.

if you can’t stick your neck out with an attempt at a viable solution. I’ve tried to be reasonable but have only been met with witch hunt mindsets.

See above and add a bill of whatever the going rate for use of a helo of that caliber is per hour
and add whatever legal penalties would be levied against John Q Public for using my privately
owned helo to trespass and steal property that's not his/their own.

 

[awcopeland]

Well, a 20 (?) something year old employee of mine, whose training I paid for, using my helicopter to do this when he should be working for me would be fired without getting any job references from me . Sounds like a dishonorable discharge would be a similar penalty, so Yeah, dishonorable discharge seems very appropriate.


I haven't complained. I don't intend to.


See above and add a bill of whatever the going rate for use of a helo of that caliber is per hour
and add whatever legal penalties would be levied against John Q Public for using my privately
owned helo to trespass and steal property that's not his/their own.

You must like Article 15s for hands in the pockets too…lol. You’re something else. Have a great day.

 

[cmahoney]

Well, a 20 (?) something year old employee of mine, whose training I paid for, using my helicopter to do this when he should be working for me would be fired without getting any job references from me . Sounds like a dishonorable discharge would be a similar penalty, so Yeah, dishonorable discharge seems very appropriate.


I haven't complained. I don't intend to.


See above and add a bill of whatever the going rate for use of a helo of that caliber is per hour
and add whatever legal penalties would be levied against John Q Public for using my privately
owned helo to trespass and steal property that's not his/their own.

That’s it? You don’t think these guys should get the firing squad after the local prosecutor is done with them? Bergdahl got a dishonorable and all he did was go for a hike.


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[bdg848]

"Ridiculous, We never set foot on anyone's property" Previously: "Fifteen feet!.....Ten!.....Five......HOLD! HOLD! HOVER!........GOT IT!" lol

 

[awcopeland]

That’s it? You don’t think these guys should get the firing squad after the local prosecutor is done with them? Bergdahl got a dishonorable and all he did was go for a hike.


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My thoughts exactly.