Military Shed Horn Hunting

[mt terry d]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't one voluntarily sign a contract accepting terms of service which
defines consequences for violation of one's obligations ? ; since it's doubtful any
of these guys/girls were drafted.

If the military decides firing squad is appropriate then that's up to them.

But I don't believe military employment absolves one of any legal consequence
outside of military compounds.

As I said, please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[awcopeland]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't one voluntarily sign a contract accepting terms of service which
defines consequences for violation of one's obligations ? ; since it's doubtful any
of these guys/girls were drafted.

If the military decides firing squad is appropriate then that's up to them.

But I don't believe military employment absolves one of any legal consequence
outside of military compounds.

As I said, please correct me if I'm wrong.

So, if the local Sheriff pulls you over for going 1mph over the speed limit and decides that life in prison is the going rate, that's totally acceptable? Since you voluntarily decided to live in that particular county, and nobody forcibly put you there, right?

I can't decide if you've never done something you regret, or maybe you think everyone in the military should be a utopian robot, or maybe you're married to Jane Fonda. I'm really perplexed by your ignorance. Maybe you're Jesus in the flesh and have done no wrong??

Have you ever procreated? Did you ever display grace? Did you just beat your kids and lock them up for doing something perceived as dumb? These are all honest questions in hopes that you get the point that your rhetoric is unreasonable.

If you think I'm in the camp of there should be no punishment and that this behavior is complete acceptable, then please go back and re-read ALL of my posts. You're mistaken.

 

[cmahoney]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't one voluntarily sign a contract accepting terms of service which
defines consequences for violation of one's obligations ? ; since it's doubtful any
of these guys/girls were drafted.

If the military decides firing squad is appropriate then that's up to them.

But I don't believe military employment absolves one of any legal consequence
outside of military compounds.

As I said, please correct me if I'm wrong.

These guys are subject to local prosecution just like any citizen. That’s mostly going to be up the land owner victim. Unlike any citizen who did the same thing, they are subject to the UCMJ. If the victim pursues prosecution, these guys are going to get punished twice.

The contract they signed does not define the consequences they will receive if they violate any code in the UCMJ, that is handled on a case by case basis just like civilian prosecution.

Calling for a dishonorable discharge would ruin the rest of their lives. That’s the equivalent of a prison sentence for running a stop sign.

These guys will get hammered for this no doubt.

Do you really think the rest of their lives should be ruined for this incident?


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[35WhelenAI]

Found this to share. So they land the same helicopter in my front yard, they take my grill and a lawn chair and take back off again. Just fun and games? No, they stole. On the dime that my taxes and others taxes support their equipment they play in apparently.

You want to talk about shed hunting getting out of hand? These guys must have been very compelled to do it.

 

[Marine4life]

Also, if the military has taught me anything, its perspective. Nobody died here and equipment wasn’t damaged. Fix the situation, prevent it from happening again (ie hold the crew accountable), and move on.

The civil work force has a really difficult time with this from my experience. Most people IMO can’t differentiate between urgent and important when given a problem.

Agree with you 100% coming from my perspective as a retired Marine officer.


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[wytx]

Frankly they should haul all 3 up to that ranch and have them fix fence all summer into Fall after they pay their fines a do their time in local jail - if applicable.
The military will take care of their part.

 

[KurtR]

People minds would be blown if they new the shit that went on at a regular guard drill weekend. Get a bunch of guys together with some cool stuff its a recipe for fun

 

[ewade07]

They broke the law trespassing, fine them accordingly and let their superiors dole out what punishment they seem fit.

 

[Shawn_Guinn]

Hell I did a lot worse shit in the regular Army in the 90’s…they trespassed, land owner can decide to prosecute or not. Army will dole out its corrective actions and move on. I hate what shed hunting has become. I would demonetize it keep yahoos out of calving and winter ranges. Also clear up my YouTube feed lol. The stupid shed “hunting” videos it keeps recommending is getting annoying lol.

 

[mtwarden]

Just showed up on our local tv news this evening. Told my wife the least of their worries are the misdemeanor trespassing charges.

How would like to explain this stunt to your commanding officer? Yikes!

Also they pointed out that a new law could have jeopardized their hunting privileges for two years, but they lucked out as the new law doesn’t go into effect until October 1.

 

[dtrkyman]

What would the charges be if a black hawk landed in my yard and I freaked out and felt threatened and decided to put a round in all of them?

I haven’t done anything wrong and feel my life is threatened in the moment, I made a simple mistake so I guess they should just yell at me and move on!

Imagine being that lady, she may have thought the world was coming to an end?

Making shed hunting illegal would stop nothing, Colorado has a shed season, it’s virtually ignored from what I’ve seen!


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[awcopeland]

What would the charges be if a black hawk landed in my yard and I freaked out and felt threatened and decided to put a round in all of them?

I haven’t done anything wrong and feel my life is threatened in the moment, I made a simple mistake so I guess they should just yell at me and move on!

Imagine being that lady, she may have thought the world was coming to an end?

Making shed hunting illegal would stop nothing, Colorado has a shed season, it’s virtually ignored from what I’ve seen!


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I bet you would have slapped the drill instructor at basic training too.

You honestly think these guys landed on a single acre plot right next to a house to pick up some sheds that was on the land owner’s front porch or something?

Some of you folks are a bit trigger happy. You should check out Prarie dog hunting. It’ll ease that a bit.

 

[35WhelenAI]

They had no right to be there and that's the bottom line. Doesn't matter how big the plot was or if anybody sitting on the porch watching them do it. Lol. Defending those idiots, how's that going? Apparently those guys didn't listen to the message in basic training about their oath from the drill sergeant.

 

[Shawn_Guinn]

lol I know I shouldn’t laugh but civilians shooting at guardsmen landing blackhawks in someone’s yard I find the scene comical. Especially when it’s over antler sheds… sound like a Farley bros movie plot

 

[Ultracarry]

National guard and people are acting like they are full time military -
Let’s not forget - guard isn’t a full time job, it’s someone who is voluntarily serving one weekend a month … it’s a part time gig for health Insurance and school (until shit hits the fan)

 

[KurtR]

Were they 100 percent in the wrong yes deserve everything they get but am I surprised not in the least the shit we did in guards would make you hard ass operators faint. Hell even buddies in the regular branches did shit that civilians would never be able to comprehend.

 

[mt terry d]

Calling for a dishonorable discharge would ruin the rest of their lives. That’s the equivalent of a prison sentence for running a stop sign.

These guys will get hammered for this no doubt.

Do you really think the rest of their lives should be ruined for this incident?

Is it against the law for someone with a dishonorable discharge to get employment in the civilian market?
I don't see how it's any different than anyone else getting fired from a job.

How exactly does this "ruin the rest of their lives"?


Not much reporting of the government investigating themselves lately. Maybe I missed it.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Is it against the law for someone with a dishonorable discharge to get employment in the civilian market?
I don't see how it's any different than anyone else getting fired from a job.

How exactly does this "ruin the rest of their lives"?


Not much reporting of the government investigating themselves lately. Maybe I missed it.

Getting a dishonorable discharge requires getting a felony conviction.


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[Ultracarry]

Dishonorable will get you disqualified from a lot of jobs - maybe not McDonald’s but it wouldn’t surprise me ..

Getting a dishonorable discharge requires getting a felony conviction.


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