McMillan Mountain Tracker LR - Tikka T3 Dev Project

[Timjohnson11]

Forms photos of recoil motion compared to the KRG echo and Rokstock are profound.

Post in thread 'Rokstok Lite'
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/rokstok-lite.396061/post-4492318

Curious how you’d compare relative muzzle rise between the two? I thought you noted earlier in this thread it was tracking recoil better than the RokStok?

I like Form but he is affiliated with the RokStok (S2H) so an independent opinion would be appreciated.

 

[Nine Banger]

Curious how you’d compare relative muzzle rise between the two? I thought you noted earlier in this thread it was tracking recoil better than the RokStok?

I like Form but he is affiliated with the RokStok (S2H) so an independent opinion would be appreciated.

I can try to focus on this during the week with a Rokstok and 22 Creed/88 ELDs and a McMillan and 6 Creed/95 TMKs. That's the closest match up I can do right now without pulling a barrel.

I go back and forth and have been shooting the McMillan more lately and I think I'm putting too much cheek pressure on it and might need high rings since I switched from a 34mm scope to a 30mm scope.

The stuff we obsess about...

 

[Shortschaf]

The rokstock's 0° toe will reduce more muzzle flip than the MTLR's shallow toe when shooting with a rear bag. Just physics

But the thing is, I currently don't struggle with recoil when I am shooting with a rear bag. Maybe if I shot huge magnums on high magnification I would

And the drawback of a 0° toe is you lose elevation adjustability with your rear bag, meaning you have to adjust the bipod/front support more.

 

[T_Widdy]

And the drawback of a 0° toe is you lose elevation adjustability with your rear bag, meaning you have to adjust the bipod/front support more.

This is Not a thing with proper fundamentals and control of a rifle.

 

[Shortschaf]

This is Not a thing with proper fundamentals and control of a rifle.

Not sure what you are saying. With a 0° toe, moving your rear bag forward or backward on the toe does not adjust height. It is parallel to the bore

 

[T_Widdy]

Not sure what you are saying. With a 0° toe moving your rear bag forward or backward on the toe does not adjust height. It is parallel to the bore

If prone control the rifle with your hand making a saddle or U with your thumb and pointer finger to pinch the stock. Then use your other 3 fingers to grip onto any rear support of your choice to stabilize your hand.

Just letting a buttstock or those stupid bag riders ride on a bag gives the shooter no control of the rear of the rifle and is terrible for recoil management and spotting impacts shooting a field weight hunting rifle.

 

[Ucsdryder]

If prone control the rifle with your hand making a saddle or U with your thumb and pointer finger to pinch the stock. Then use your other 3 fingers to grip onto any rear support of your choice to stabilize your hand.

Just letting a buttstock or those stupid bag riders ride on a bag gives the shooter no control of the rear of the rifle and is terrible for recoil management and spotting impacts shooting a field weight hunting rifle.

You guys are saying 2 different things. You’re wrong that it doesn’t have any impact, but your point is you can overcome it with technique.

 

[Shortschaf]

If prone control the rifle with your hand making a saddle or U with your thumb and pointer finger to pinch the stock. Then use your other 3 fingers to grip onto any rear support of your choice to stabilize your hand.

Just letting a buttstock or those stupid bag riders ride on a bag gives the shooter no control of the rear of the rifle and is terrible for recoil management and spotting impacts shooting a field weight hunting rifle.

I agree with all of what you say here and maintain my previous two posts. @Ucsdryder is right, this is a different topic than what I posted about

 

[T_Widdy]

Technically yes the rokstok would not adjust poa if just set on a bag, but just because you have a rokstok doesn’t mean you have to adjust the front rest more to get the correct poa.

 

[Shortschaf]

Technically yes the rokstok would not adjust poa if just set on a bag, but just because you have a rokstok doesn’t mean you have to adjust the front rest more to get the correct poa.

You have a flat toe, so you will have to adjust the front more times than you would with a stock having some toe angle, all else being equal.

You either adjust the rear or the front to aim at stuff... a flat toe takes away some adjustability. Its not a huge deal

 

[T_Widdy]

You have a flat toe, so you will have to adjust the front more times than you would with a stock having some toe angle, all else being equal.

With bad fundamentals.. sure.

I have not noticed a flat toe taking away any adjustability, I feel it actually gives me more by have a larger surface area that is straight and can position my off hand anywhere on it and the rifle will still recoil straight back.

 

[Shortschaf]

With bad fundamentals.. sure.

I have not noticed a flat toe taking away any adjustability, I feel it actually gives me more by have a larger surface area that is straight and can position my off hand anywhere on it and the rifle will still recoil straight back.

I have tried both toe styles and came back from the flat toe because I can "bag up" my rifle quicker. Flat toe is great for benchrest or ELR super magnums. Not a new concept.

Or yeah maybe I just have bad fundamentals and buying a Rokstock is the only way to fix them

 

[T_Widdy]

I have tried both toe styles and came back from the flat toe because I can "bag up" my rifle quicker. Flat toe is great for benchrest or ELR super magnums. Not a new concept.

Or yeah maybe I just have bad fundamentals and buying a Rokstock is the only way to fix them

Sound like you use your bag for elevation changes and I use my hand grip for elevation changes. Two different methods and both work. I feel one way just has better control of the rifle movement from field position and I try to keep everything consistent throughout all positions. My first comment was just to state that the flat toe does not make me adjust the front support anymore than any other stock. Everybody can have separate techniques.

 

[Shortschaf]

Sound like you use your bag for elevation changes and I use my hand grip for elevation changes. Two different methods and both work. I feel one way just has better control of the rifle movement from field position and I try to keep everything consistent throughout all positions. My first comment was just to state that the flat toe does not make me adjust the front support anymore than any other stock. Everybody can have separate techniques.

Whether you use 100% bag or 100% hand contact for elevating the toe, if the toe is 0°, you have less immediately available adjustment at the rear of the rifle than if it was not a 0° toe. That is all I am saying