McMillan Mountain Tracker LR - Tikka T3 Dev Project

[LostWapiti]

This is absurd. And was it absurd for the Rokstok too. I don’t get it. What sucker gives a business an interest free loan to conduct R&D and front production? This isn’t how business should function. If you need money as a business, get a loan from a bank or SBA, or raise capital from investors. To expect your customer to hold the bag for you is crazy! Yet here we are and people are wilfully throwing their money at the cause. Strange world.

It’s not that they need money, it’s that they want people to commit to buying it so they don’t end up with a mold but nobody actually willing to buy the product. This is common for special cars and stuff too.

 

[FLS]

McMillan has always been a stand up company and their product is second to none.Making folks put some skin in the game keeps the tire kickers to a minimum. Too many people talk a real good game till it’s time to PUMF.

 

[SDHNTR]

It’s not that they need money, it’s that they want people to commit to buying it so they don’t end up with a mold but nobody actually willing to buy the product. This is common for special cars and stuff too.

It’s called risk. It’s part of operating a business.

 

[SDHNTR]

Two month interest free loan of $100 to kickstart a product is different than a full preorder. And I can stomach that if it kickstarts production of a niche product I want.

Maybe it is illegal. No idea. For $100 I dont care to find out.

"R&D" is not a fair term here. They make good stocks and have been for decades. These are tooling costs like they said, and I have a feeling their tooling designers aren't going to somehow mess their ump-teenth Tikka mold

I expect the first production to be good-to-go or my money back. Maybe I'm the fool. But its just a stock. I'll rock factory plastic if it falls through or I'll rock a Rokstok 10.0 if it works out

Yeah, I get it. It’s only $100 bucks and just a stock, of which there are a million other options too, it’s just the concept that strikes me as off putting. I must be the only one.

 

[LostWapiti]

Yeah, I get it. It’s only $100 bucks and just a stock, of which there are a million other options too, it’s just the concept that strikes me as off putting. I must be the only one.

I think they should have at least offered a discount for the “backers”

 

[SDHNTR]

I think they should have at least offered a discount for the “backers”

A better way to incentivise these “investors” would’ve been to give them a 10% interest in the profits of this project.

All said tongue in cheek, of course. I realize this would not be practical at the dollar level we’re discussing here, but conceptually, that’s the way these endeavors are supposed to work. If one commits capital, one should expect a return on investment. Instead, the investor gets nothing other than eventually receiving a product they’ve already paid fairly for and the company gets free capital.

 

[waspocrew]

A better way to incentivise these “investors” would’ve been to give them a 10% interest in the profits of this project.

All said tongue in cheek, of course. I realize this would not be practical at the dollar level we’re discussing here, but conceptually, that’s the way these endeavors are supposed to work. If one commits capital, one should expect a return on investment. Instead, the investor gets nothing other than eventually receiving a product they’ve already paid fairly for and the company gets free capital.

You're totally right, but I think that applies more to getting a company off the ground, not necessarily a $5000 mold. But I do agree with the principle - a discount would be nice.

That being said, somewhere over 2 million deposits were placed for the Tesla cybertruck with no discount, etc (as far as I'm aware). Basically, just so you could eventually be a proud owner of one of the most hideous vehicles around.