McGuire Ballistics field and terminal reports

[bowrunner81]

You'd be surprised at how many people don't even know what Rokslide is and/or don't give a flying rip what anyone's judgemental opinions are on RS. The business won't fail because of negative Rokslide opinions...

Well that’s good to hear.

 

[SMC_GUIDE]

I must say, that’s pretty impressive. But is it me or are those bullets seated excessively long? How much bullet is left in the neck?

The 22Cal 71GR is 1.250 long. COAL is 2.785 in a 22 Creedmoor with .120 of freebore.

 

[SMC_GUIDE]

I appreciate the banter back and forth and it has been fun, but I will be respectfully stepping back from this thread for a bit. Hopefully it can continue forward and I hope people list their results. God Bless and I hope everyone has a great New years.

 

[SDHNTR]

The 22Cal 71GR is 1.250 long. COAL is 2.785 in a 22 Creedmoor with .120 of freebore.

I see, lots of bearing bands. Do guys generally load them to kiss?

 

[bowrunner81]

I appreciate the banter back and forth and it has been fun, but I will be respectfully stepping back from this thread for a bit. Hopefully it can continue forward and I hope people list their results. God Bless and I hope everyone has a great New years.

Sorry if I had a part in detailing your thread. Good luck

 

[DagOtto]

I appreciate the banter back and forth and it has been fun, but I will be respectfully stepping back from this thread for a bit. Hopefully it can continue forward and I hope people list their results. God Bless and I hope everyone has a great New years.

Bummer Sam, But I can't blame you.

It takes a certain personality to engage in the "civil discourse" on this and probably all forums. I have rarely seen a group of folks more fiercely protective of their adopted creed than the "Small Caliber Match Bullets for Hunting" crowd on this site. But I also haven't spent a lot of time on forums and I expect this is a common phenomenom.

I think there is a lot of truth to what ya'll are preaching. But some forum members take it past a point of factual investigation and inquiry towards a near religious conviction. It seems that there are those who gain ego boosts by "protecting" Ryan and Form and the movement. From the little I know of those two, they don't need help protecting their feelings or their beliefs. And the rude and aggressive way that those who offer alternative opinions or products are treated does nothing to help anyone.

It may be that I'm jumping the gun here and there is no link to the treatment Sam has received in this thread and to the SCFBG movement. But it feels like a trend when reading many threads.

Sam has taken the time and money to create and offer a product that might be the best-in-class from a mono bullet performance perspective. He did not come to this site bashing any product, practice or person. He may not be as communicative or eloquent as you would like. And he may not be a world-class ballistician. But he has worked to bring a product to market that might make a difference. How many of you that aggressively shit on him and his product in this thread have done anything equal in the field?

 

[Formidilosus]

How many of you that aggressively shit on him and his product in this thread have done anything equal in the field?

What does that have to do with anything? The man owns a company that makes a niche product, in an industry (small
machined copper mono companies) that lie, BS’s, repeats nonsense left and right, and avoids engaging in legitimate discussions.

He may be an awesome human- neat. What does that have to do with this thread? This thread isn’t about him or about how hard he works. It’s about the product. A product that when asked questions about it, his responses and lack thereof all give the same feeling as others of the ilk.

You act as if there isn’t constant arguing and nonsense from people about match bullets and smaller caliber performance and suitability- the difference is that group doesn’t have an issue speaking in depth about the technical aspects of terminal ballistics, external ballistics, shooting performance, or anything else.

My take from what is posted on this thread is that McGuire does not know how their bullets actually work- which means they aren’t doing legitimate terminal ballistics testing, and that means that they can’t reliably state the consistency of that performance. They do not know what the BC of their bullets are- which means they do not do their own testing, or they do not do enough testing.


Just the product, not personal.

 

[atmat]

Bummer Sam, But I can't blame you.

It takes a certain personality to engage in the "civil discourse" on this and probably all forums. I have rarely seen a group of folks more fiercely protective of their adopted creed than the "Small Caliber Match Bullets for Hunting" crowd on this site. But I also haven't spent a lot of time on forums and I expect this is a common phenomenom.

I think there is a lot of truth to what ya'll are preaching. But some forum members take it past a point of factual investigation and inquiry towards a near religious conviction. It seems that there are those who gain ego boosts by "protecting" Ryan and Form and the movement. From the little I know of those two, they don't need help protecting their feelings or their beliefs. And the rude and aggressive way that those who offer alternative opinions or products are treated does nothing to help anyone.

It may be that I'm jumping the gun here and there is no link to the treatment Sam has received in this thread and to the SCFBG movement. But it feels like a trend when reading many threads.

Sam has taken the time and money to create and offer a product that might be the best-in-class from a mono bullet performance perspective. He did not come to this site bashing any product, practice or person. He may not be as communicative or eloquent as you would like. And he may not be a world-class ballistician. But he has worked to bring a product to market that might make a difference. How many of you that aggressively shit on him and his product in this thread have done anything equal in the field?

Haha this is a wild take.

 

[roadrunner]

What does that have to do with anything? The man owns a company that makes a niche product, in an industry (small
machined copper mono companies) that lie, BS’s, repeats nonsense left and right, and avoids engaging in legitimate discussions.

He may be an awesome human- neat. What does that have to do with this thread? This thread isn’t about him or about how hard he works. It’s about the product. A product that when asked questions about it, his responses and lack thereof all give the same feeling as others of the ilk.

You act as if there isn’t constant arguing and nonsense from people about match bullets and smaller caliber performance and suitability- the difference is that group doesn’t have an issue speaking in depth about the technical aspects of terminal ballistics, external ballistics, shooting performance, or anything else.

My take from what is posted on this thread is that McGuire does not know how their bullets actually work- which means they aren’t doing legitimate terminal ballistics testing, and that means that they can’t reliably state the consistency of that performance. They do not know what the BC of their bullets are- which means they do not do their own testing, or they do not do enough testing.


Just the product, not personal.

My hell...

 

[HuntHarder]

Gotta give Form some credit. He tried them, hopefully gave an honest assessment and doesn't care for their Bc. Looks like, by most accounts, they do create a large wound channel. Whether it be from yawing or the petals detaching.

Atmat is just a hype man in the background saying yeah, yeah, yeah, what they said.

 

[28bang]

What does that have to do with anything? The man owns a company that makes a niche product, in an industry (small
machined copper mono companies) that lie, BS’s, repeats nonsense left and right, and avoids engaging in legitimate discussions.

He may be an awesome human- neat. What does that have to do with this thread? This thread isn’t about him or about how hard he works. It’s about the product. A product that when asked questions about it, his responses and lack thereof all give the same feeling as others of the ilk.

You act as if there isn’t constant arguing and nonsense from people about match bullets and smaller caliber performance and suitability- the difference is that group doesn’t have an issue speaking in depth about the technical aspects of terminal ballistics, external ballistics, shooting performance, or anything else.

My take from what is posted on this thread is that McGuire does not know how their bullets actually work- which means they aren’t doing legitimate terminal ballistics testing, and that means that they can’t reliably state the consistency of that performance. They do not know what the BC of their bullets are- which means they do not do their own testing, or they do not do enough testing.


Just the product, not personal.

he shoots his bullets and guides hunts all the time testing them. He knows exactly how they work. That’s very ignorant of you.

 

[bmart2622]

Ummmm, didnt he post wound channel pics of a bullet clearly tumbling yet proceeded to argue that the bullets dont tumble?

 

[HuntHarder]

Ummmm, didnt he post wound channel pics of a bullet clearly tumbling yet proceeded to argue that the bullets dont tumble?

I am the owner of McGuire Ballistics. Our bullets do stay face forward and expand. After initial expansion they can destabilize and tumble but that is a byproduct.

 

[28bang]

Ummmm, didnt he post wound channel pics of a bullet clearly tumbling yet proceeded to argue that the bullets dont tumble?

And how do you know they tumbled? Because you were told they were? The piece that exited was bullet diameter sized and was the shank.

 

[bmart2622]

Because I have eyes

 

[bmart2622]

The bullets stay face forwardand expand. We have killed thousands of animals and we understand how they function. Thank you for your interest and I will be keeping this thread active as we get more reports in.

 

[atmat]

Atmat is just a hype man

Mods, can I get ‘Hype Man’ as my flare? @HuntHarder says it would be dope.

 

[28bang]

Because I have eyes

You need to get them looked at then.

 

[bmart2622]

You need to get them looked at then.

Ok, me and everyone everyone else too right?? Why are you so defensive about this?

 

[28bang]

Ok, me and everyone everyone else too right?? Why are you so defensive about this?

Because I’ve actually shot animals with them and are very aware of what they’re doing.