LPP or FL Chamberlin?

[fnf01]

Just as title states which would you pick? Getting myself a bday/Black Friday gift. Generally I run cold especially glassing. Is the LPP able to brush some brush or are both coming off when you start moving? It’ll get most work whitetail hunting but will be going out west next year.

Should I get both is there a point?

Price difference is not a factor.

Thanks.

 

[Forestryguy]

I can only speak for the LPP. I have a pullover and it it kept me warm for 4 hour sits in a tree at 10-15 deg. I put an extra wind blocker over top to cut wind more and to silence it more. I just ordered a full zip one also.


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[Big338]

I used the FL chamberlain this fall and I can tell you it’s like a furnace. I will tell you though I wouldn’t be able to walk very far without taking it off because I would overheat.
It’s perfect for glassing or long sits. Warmest lightest hunting coat I have.

 

[Skyhigh]

The LPP is super warm. I have used it ice fishing in -10 deg temps for a couple hours while hole hopping around. Worked good for this with just a hoody and long sleeve underneath. As far as durability and brush goes I would say its okay for a puffy. If you try going through thick brush it will get holes in the non-reinforced parts. If you are just going through light brush it should be fine. I would not walk around in it much though personally, would overheat quickly.

Skyler

 

[ofl0926]

I was just looking at the LPP cause of the sale going on. How does it compare to the FL uncompahdre puffy? I’m going to eastern Oregon next year for my first rifle elk hunt.


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[Formidilosus]

Just as title states which would you pick? Getting myself a bday/Black Friday gift. Generally I run cold especially glassing. Is the LPP able to brush some brush or are both coming off when you start moving? It’ll get most work whitetail hunting but will be going out west next year.

Should I get both is there a point?

Price difference is not a factor.

Thanks.

The two are not comparable. Have 40’ish dudes that have used both in the mountains from -5 to 80 degrees. Just think of them with ratings as sleeping bags. Completely stationary for hours with absolute comfort, with a light weight base layer and a light fleece- the LPP is a 40 degree jacket. The Chamberlin is a 15-20 degree jacket. I wouldn’t bust brush with either.

If you’re moving that changes drastically, but there is no way to compare puffys if movement is involved.

 

[realunlucky]

The two are not comparable. Have 40’ish dudes that have used both in the mountains from -5 to 80 degrees. Just think of them with ratings as sleeping bags. Completely stationary for hours with absolute comfort, with a light weight base layer and a light fleece- the LPP is a 40 degree jacket. The Chamberlin is a 15-20 degree jacket. I wouldn’t bust brush with either.

If you’re moving that changes drastically, but there is no way to compare puffys if movement is involved.

You know 40 guys that have tested both jackets in similar conditions?
Pretty awesome resource doubtful there are but a handful guys on this site that have tested both.

 

[adamm88]

The two are not comparable. Have 40’ish dudes that have used both in the mountains from -5 to 80 degrees. Just think of them with ratings as sleeping bags. Completely stationary for hours with absolute comfort, with a light weight base layer and a light fleece- the LPP is a 40 degree jacket. The Chamberlin is a 15-20 degree jacket. I wouldn’t bust brush with either.

If you’re moving that changes drastically, but there is no way to compare puffys if movement is involved.

Where would a unconpadre jacket fit with testing like this?


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[adamm88]

The two are not comparable. Have 40’ish dudes that have used both in the mountains from -5 to 80 degrees. Just think of them with ratings as sleeping bags. Completely stationary for hours with absolute comfort, with a light weight base layer and a light fleece- the LPP is a 40 degree jacket. The Chamberlin is a 15-20 degree jacket. I wouldn’t bust brush with either.

If you’re moving that changes drastically, but there is no way to compare puffys if movement is involved.

How would the unpardre jacket fit on this scale?


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[Formidilosus]

You know 40 guys that have tested both jackets in similar conditions?
Pretty awesome resource doubtful there are but a handful guys on this site that have tested both.

Yes. It’s work related. Over the last two year I’ve tested a lot of clothing- especially puffys. There are no “standards” to compare them against each other. People will throw out numbers or say things like “the LPP is an oven” or the “Kelvin Lite was toasty at 9 degrees this year”, etc. The problem is people have no idea what that translates to. I couldn’t figure out why I was wearing jackets that everyone said I should be roasting in, and yet I was near hypothermic in temperatures well above what they stated. Once we started testing them, it became apparent why that was happening.

First, very few people actually sit long periods in cold weather out west. I’m talking below freezing. If they do, they get up and move, stomp their feet, etc. and just accept that as part of it.

Second, most h e no reference for “comfortable”. Those same people will then go back and say that they were “warm”, yet the fact that they had to do other things to say “warm” shows that they weren’t. Or they’re constantly moving while wearing the clothing and claim that it’s good to “x” temperature.

So long story short- there isn’t an easy way to compare puffys and relate that to a temperature. So we started doing it. Just like sleeping bags if you get enough people to use them in identical conditions you start to see patterns. The best way to judge a puffs warmth is like a sleeping bag. What temperature will you stay completely comfortable at without doing anything other than sitting there. We settled on a light base layer (Capilene L1/FL Aerowool), and a light to mid fleece (Patagonia R1) under the puffys. Then we have the guys use them and get the feedback. We can and have gone pretty sophisticated tests, measuring skin temp variations, core temp changes, etc. but found if they are honest about comfort we don’t need to do that. In the end it comes down to fill weight and loft- just like sleeping bags.

For instance the LPP (which I think is one of the best all around puffys available) has the same insulation as Kifaru’s 20 degree slick bag. Except the bag has two layers and the LPP one, and you don’t have the thermal transfer of being in a bag with the jacket. So you can’t really say the LPP is a 20 degree jacket, unless you’re talking about while moving which is less than useless info.


At this point I can know the fill weight, type of insulation, and face fabric and be within 5 degrees of what it is.

How would the unpardre jacket fit on this scale?
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I was being a bit conservative on the LPP. It’s really a mid 30’s jacket for most people. The Uncompahgre in a true 40’ish degree puffy.



Of course if you if you are moving at all, or in the sunlight all of it changes.

 

[ljalberta]

I couldn’t figure out why I was wearing jackets that everyone said I should be roasting in, and yet I was near hypothermic in temperatures well above what they stated. Once we started testing them, it became apparent why that was happening.

First, very few people actually sit long periods in cold weather out west. I’m talking below freezing. If they do, they get up and move, stomp their feet, etc. and just accept that as part of it.

Second, most h e no reference for “comfortable”. Those same people will then go back and say that they were “warm”, yet the fact that they had to do other things to say “warm” shows that they weren’t. Or they’re constantly moving while wearing the clothing and claim that it’s good to “x” temperature.

This has been my experience as well!

 

[fnf01]

Thanks everyone especially formidilosus for the insight. I’ll be going with the Chamberlin.

As an aside Kifaru’s shipping really kills their “sale”. Call it what you will but amazon prime and other retailers (I know kifaru is a manufacturer) have spoiled me for shipping charges. It’s a psychological thing, just build shipping into the price and I wouldn’t care but seeing $15-$20 shipping added to an almost $300 order makes me think I don’t reeeeallllly need it, where an almost $300 order with free shipping = yaaaaaay!!

 

[Boman]

I'd like to know how the First Lite Chamberlin and the new Sitka Kelvin down WS(windstopper) compare? For those that use the Chamberlin how does it block wind?

 

[checkerfred]

I'd like to know how the First Lite Chamberlin and the new Sitka Kelvin down WS(windstopper) compare? For those that use the Chamberlin how does it block wind?

Same here...also how bulky are these? Could one possibly bow hunt with them?

 

[Formidilosus]

I'd like to know how the First Lite Chamberlin and the new Sitka Kelvin down WS(windstopper) compare? For those that use the Chamberlin how does it block wind?

The Kelvis WS has 25% less fill. It does have the Windstopper and that helps a bit, but it is not as warm as the Chamberlin. The Chamberlin doesn’t block wind, and I put a rain/wind shell over it. I carry the shell anyways, so the Chamberlin plus rain shell is warmer than the Kelvin plus rain shell.

Same here...also how bulky are these? Could one possibly bow hunt with them?

They’re real puffys, not the pseudo base layer “puffys” that most y’all about. While one might be able to use them for bow hunting, you’d need an arm and chest sleeve.

 

[tdhanses]

The two are not comparable. Have 40’ish dudes that have used both in the mountains from -5 to 80 degrees. Just think of them with ratings as sleeping bags. Completely stationary for hours with absolute comfort, with a light weight base layer and a light fleece- the LPP is a 40 degree jacket. The Chamberlin is a 15-20 degree jacket. I wouldn’t bust brush with either.

If you’re moving that changes drastically, but there is no way to compare puffys if movement is involved.

Interesting I guess maybe if you just wear it and a baselayer in the dark maybe. I personally haven’t had an issue sitting in mine in the teens but usually it is sunny and I always have more layers then just a base layer. I think people get their head, hands and feet cold first which will transfer to the core over time.