Love Thy Neighbor

Idk guys. . . This seems to be straying into some dangerous territory with some of the rhetoric.

A terrible thing happened to a public figure. A suspect has yet to be apprehended or his reasoning ascertained. Drumming yourself up to hate others in the midst of that is 100% not what Jesus would support.

Should there be justice? Absolutely, should you be gearing up to hate people that lien left or believe differently than yourself? I guess if you want to turn out like the individual currently being pursued for this crime.

We need more common ground, we need more agree to disagree and less hard line stances. 80% of the populace has way more in common than not, but every step of the way division is sewn and walls thrown up to make us hate each other!

Love your neighbor, have grace for differing viewpoints presented respectfully, and don't become something you despise but with a different color of tie!
 
Forgiveness, with justice.
Pope John Paul II went to the prison and met with the man who tried to assassinate him. The Pope forgave him, but when the Pope left that man stayed in jail, because that's justice.
 
God has been working on me with this. I'll spare everyone the long story, but in short anger I long believe to be righteous has caused me to sin in my heart. While I have been a Christian since childhood, what he demanded from me almost to years ago almost broke me. It was nothing outward, but very clearly I was commanded to surrender my protection to him and renounce my right even to protect my family. The command has softened slightly, and he has not tested me. I pray he does not because I fear it would be beyond what I can endure.

Fear, fear that turns to "righteous anger" and a drive to protect my family and country from evil has put my soul in more danger than anything else.

To jump to the extreme. There is no moral hazard in being shot in the back of the head over a mass grave with my family. Their is great moral hazard in being the one doing the shooting.

This holds true for Christians and most creeds. Your values will certainly be different if you believe in Oden.

This is why the church has been dying for 100 years. Too weak and too feminine. Jesus didn't tolerate evil and neither should we.
Jesus tolerated evil beyond what most of use will ever have to, and he set the example, beaten, mocked, and tortured to death by those who believed they were defending God. He was lead as a lamb to slaughter, and we know he is our example. He spoke truly when he said "The way is narrow and few are those who find it."

In life, Jesus was criticized for being around tax collectors and prostitutes and for not taking a stand against Rome.



P.S. To be clear, the mealy mouthed passivism that says "I cannot commit violence, but I can call the police to do it for me" is not what I'm talking about. If violence is a sin in the situation, than asking someone else to carry it out on you behalf is a double sin. If a soul is to be damned for protecting my family, it will be mine. Thus, there is no easy way out.
 
It was nothing outward, but very clearly I was commanded to surrender my protection to him and renounce my right even to protect my family.
Renounce your right to protect your family?
Are you just hoping for a miracle and some intervention if your family needs protection?
You kinda lost me here.
 
Forgiveness and acceptance is hard. I have a brother who suffers from mental illness really bad. So bad he tried to kill my mother in a planned attack a brutal one. By the grace of god she survived.

It’s been just over a year and she has forgiven him and is in contact with him while he is in prison. I have come to terms to forgive him have have not come to terms to speak with him and I hope someday I will but it will take time.

It is always better to spread love and forgiveness even toward your enemy. Why throw more things into a pot that is already boiling over. That is what I learned and it took a very hard lesson to learn it. But I am only responsible for myself and my actions and I would rather stand up tall than stoop to low levels but that is just me.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind. Love you all.
 
Renounce your right to protect your family?
Are you just hoping for a miracle and some intervention if your family needs protection?
You kinda lost me here.
No, it is fully recognizing that due to the free will of other I and my family may die horribly at the hands of evil men.

If you want to know what horribly might look like, read up on the Dirlewanger Brigade.

I do not believe this yoke is laid on all, but my ability to carry out violence on other humans had become an idol, the command to lay it down, eyes wide open, no promises of devine protection, just that whatever happens it will serve Christ, as the deaths of Christians in Rome served him, as his death served him.
 
No, it is fully recognizing that due to the free will of other I and my family may die horribly at the hands of evil men.

If you want to know what horribly might look like, read up on the Dirlewanger Brigade.

I do not believe this yoke is laid on all, but my ability to carry out violence on other humans had become an idol, the command to lay it down, eyes wide open, no promises of devine protection, just that whatever happens it will serve Christ, as the deaths of Christians in Rome served him, as his death served him.
I think it’s fine as long as the rest of your family is on board and in agreement, and not expecting you to protect them if you were able to and chose not to.

That’s tough, and I hope this is a temporary “calling” to lay down your right to protect your family. I may can accept not protecting myself, but my wife and 2 children, 7 and 8 years old, nope.

I have heard this before from people but just don’t agree, it sounds almost like you are searching for something and I hope you find it. And I pray for protection for you and yours.
 
God has been working on me with this. I'll spare everyone the long story, but in short anger I long believe to be righteous has caused me to sin in my heart. While I have been a Christian since childhood, what he demanded from me almost to years ago almost broke me. It was nothing outward, but very clearly I was commanded to surrender my protection to him and renounce my right even to protect my family. The command has softened slightly, and he has not tested me. I pray he does not because I fear it would be beyond what I can endure.

Fear, fear that turns to "righteous anger" and a drive to protect my family and country from evil has put my soul in more danger than anything else.

To jump to the extreme. There is no moral hazard in being shot in the back of the head over a mass grave with my family. Their is great moral hazard in being the one doing the shooting.

This holds true for Christians and most creeds. Your values will certainly be different if you believe in Oden.


Jesus tolerated evil beyond what most of use will ever have to, and he set the example, beaten, mocked, and tortured to death by those who believed they were defending God. He was lead as a lamb to slaughter, and we know he is our example. He spoke truly when he said "The way is narrow and few are those who find it."

In life, Jesus was criticized for being around tax collectors and prostitutes and for not taking a stand against Rome.



P.S. To be clear, the mealy mouthed passivism that says "I cannot commit violence, but I can call the police to do it for me" is not what I'm talking about. If violence is a sin in the situation, than asking someone else to carry it out on you behalf is a double sin. If a soul is to be damned for protecting my family, it will be mine. Thus, there is no easy way out.
I’m not sure what delusions you’ve conjured to support this blasphemy. I don’t mean to personally attack you for the sake of attacking you, but this idea is evil and needs to be destroyed.

As a Husband and a Father you have a God given duty to lead, protect, and provide for your family. The notion that you would allow your family to suffer for some self righteous notion even if you were correct and it was key to your ticket to heaven is narcissistic cowardice.

I’m prepared to burn in hell for eternity if that is what I must do to ensure my family’s safety and eternal souls. Just as my savior went into the pits of hell to save my soul I will do for my family if called to for that is the responsibility God has seen fit to honor me with.

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

Christ didn’t sacrifice my soul so that he could remain pure. He sacrificed everything of himself, so that my wretched soul would be allowed into Heaven.
 
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