My duck hunting land owner has a kid who took an elk with a 243 Savage Axis who I'm good buddies with. I have a fishing trip in Neah Bay planned for early April and he will be going so would be a good time to get his personal opinion on cartridges and stuff. Will try to get him to shoot that rifle soon as possible.
Your making a straw man. You're saying "the name is going to trigger me" when my reason for choosing a rifle for my KID has nothing to do with the name but everything to due with availability and what makes sense. I will get what the kid wants. Now, if he says he wants a 458 win mag I'll say no way because it is EXTREMELY impractical, expensive and i would not feel comfortable giving him that. If he wants a 6.5CM, I'll happily get him one, but we will look over why he wants it but this will happen with all cartridges. I think you're emotional because I said something that is a commonly used joke, and you took it personally. I mean were adults here like don't take it so personally.
My kids kill whitetails with a muzzleloader that has a 300 grain bullet going 2650 fps. They make some shots most guys couldn't make with a 6.5 prc. Ask them to shoot 2 shots back to back and you usually a flinch on the second shot.
You've been led to water....
If you compare the 243, 6cm, 6.5cm, 7-08, 308, 25-06, 270, 30-06 strictly based on wounds, you’d never tell them apart. Between the 6.5cm and 7-08, the difference between is a toss up out to 400 yards, ballistically. I see an argument made quite often about all these other cartridges and people immediately discredit the cm. Never figured that out. And not to bash you at all, but you yourself said you weren’t a rifleman. Soak in what these guys are telling you.
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That's vastly different than the 30-06 that I stated in my posts. My 30-06 is a M70 featherweight with a Sims buttpad. Not a big deal to shoot 180 gr to 200 gr loads for me. I said for the OP to start out with reduced recoil ammo. The 125gr bullet going 2700 fps from that ammo would have less recoil than most 6.5 CM ammo. Well below your muzzle loader load.
That two hundredths of an inch is the real killer.
2650, huh? that just about pegs the BS meter......
It's all about the "wallop" factor.
Thank you. Admit myself as not being the most open of minds.
Isn’t JVB the guy who shot a 400”+ elk.
I fail to see the relevance.
It has a very effective brake on it and we use ear pro, as was stated in my original post. I guarantee it does not kick any harder than the standard 7 or 8 lb 30.06 hunting gun with no muzzle device. I have sighted several in for friends with 165-180 grain loads. They kick hard. Even a lightweight 243 with no muzzle device and 95+ grain bullets kicks hard enough to potentially start bad habits. The difference is, there are people in this thread that shoot 5000+ rounds of rifle ammo annually, in an intentional practice regiment, and those that see that as a lifetime of shooting. There is nothing wrong with either crowd. The difference, that most fail to notice, is that a month's experience for one is a decade's experience for the other. There are things that the former will learn from that experience that the latter will likely never have the opportunity to come across.
What brake do you use. I’m shooting 275s at nearly 2800 and it’s some punch.
Check out arrowhead shooting supplies or Hankins gun parts. They make custom smokeless muzzleloaders and he’s not wrong on the velocities he’s posted.
No he’s not, but it is a muzzleloader
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