Looking for firearm advice!

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Howdy,

I have the itch to get a new rifle, I would like something that I could use for Deer, Antelope, Coyotes and such, but would want my daughters to be able to use it in the future when they are old enough to start hunting with me. I live in northern Minnesota, but make several trips out west throughout the year. I currently have a 7prc, Grandpas old 30-06, and a 22-250.

I am leaning towards a 6.5 Creedmoor, simply due to the ammo availability, versatility, and low recoil for my kids. I like the idea of a Sig Sauer Cross with an 18" barrel with the folding stock for when I am backpacking, and the adjustable stock so my girls can grow with the rifle. But I am not opposed to other rifle platforms.

Any recommendations on calibers and rifle platforms would be greatly appreciated.
 
Howdy,

I have the itch to get a new rifle, I would like something that I could use for Deer, Antelope, Coyotes and such, but would want my daughters to be able to use it in the future when they are old enough to start hunting with me. I live in northern Minnesota, but make several trips out west throughout the year. I currently have a 7prc, Grandpas old 30-06, and a 22-250.

I am leaning towards a 6.5 Creedmoor, simply due to the ammo availability, versatility, and low recoil for my kids. I like the idea of a Sig Sauer Cross with an 18" barrel with the folding stock for when I am backpacking, and the adjustable stock so my girls can grow with the rifle. But I am not opposed to other rifle platforms.

Any recommendations on calibers and rifle platforms would be greatly appreciated.
I would look for a Tikka in 6mm CM. If you cant find one, I would go 8 twist
243 if you reload or 6.5cm if you dont.

The most important thing for me when selecting a rifle is being able to spot impacts when shooting animals.

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Another vote for 6creed from me. You could rebarrel that 22-250. A 6cm is not that fur friendly if you’re into skinning them (coyotes).
 
Another vote for 6creed from me. You could rebarrel that 22-250. A 6cm is not that fur friendly if you’re into skinning them (coyotes).
Not a bad idea. OP what action and twist rate is the 22-250?

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Which part of northern are you from? Know the ranges typically for the Virginia area I’d go with a 8 twist Tikka 243win. Since I load I could load some heavy bullets for long ranges but most the shot deer hunting here. The 95gr partition is very adequate.

It’s actually what my wife uses.
 
I'd strongly encourage you to consider a step down in recoil (especially for your daughters). 6.5 CM isn't "painful" recoil by any means for an adult, but it pushes a kid around way more than we realize.

If I were you I'd read these three threads... The .223 thread is intimidating due to its length, but it's the best single source of info I've ever seen on how bullets actually kill animals and a wealth of knowledge even if you don't end up even considering using a .223 for killing big game.




In your shoes, I'd definitely put together a suppressed, short-ish (18" max) Tikka .223 in a good stock. Mine has become one of my favorite rifles, not least because I can shoot it so much for so little money.

If you shoot animals at more than 400ish yards and don't mind paying more for ammo, a 6mm ARC is an absolute sweetheart and suppresses incredibly well, and kills great out to 600+ (especially if you are a hand loader and use the new 107 TMK).

Edit to add, if you're a hand loader I'd consider a 6 BR or Dasher as well, very slightly more juice than an ARC but works on a standard bolt face, making it easier to put one together.
 
6 arc is the best kid rifle that keeps you legal in all western states for big game. Recoil is a notch below 6 cm and .243. But, inside 400 yards is just as effective.

6 creed is a second choice.

.243 with fast twist is third

6.5 creed is fourth, the recoil is just too much for kids.

A compact Tikka rifle is plug and play. You can buy a .243 from factory but would have to piece together the 6 creed or 6 ARC. But, Tikka doesn’t sell the ARC actions, but you can build one (I have barrels and actions). J&A outdoors and Kampfeld do the bolt faces.

The Howa Mini are nice little rifles in 6 ARC that are easy for kids to run the bolt and carry. I love shooting mine.

I like the Sig Cross too. I had it in 6.5 creed, and it shot well but I sold it cause it just didn’t give me much over other options. I would have no problem carrying and shooting a 6 creed. Being on the light side, the 6.5 had some spicy recoil compared to the 22 cal and 6mm stuff I prefer. After comparing terminal ballistics, I have little reason to go to 6.5 or bigger.
 
I'd strongly encourage you to consider a step down in recoil (especially for your daughters). 6.5 CM isn't "painful" recoil by any means for an adult, but it pushes a kid around way more than we realize.

If I were you I'd read these three threads... The .223 thread is intimidating due to its length, but it's the best single source of info I've ever seen on how bullets actually kill animals and a wealth of knowledge even if you don't end up even considering using a .223 for killing big game.




In your shoes, I'd definitely put together a suppressed, short-ish (18" max) Tikka .223 in a good stock. Mine has become one of my favorite rifles, not least because I can shoot it so much for so little money.

If you shoot animals at more than 400ish yards and don't mind paying more for ammo, a 6mm ARC is an absolute sweetheart and suppresses incredibly well, and kills great out to 600+ (especially if you are a hand loader and use the new 107 TMK).
This^^^^

.223 is plenty, I love shooting mine on the range but pull out my slightly larger cartridges to hunt in the west. If I ever go back East again to deer hunt, I will shoot a 16” .223 where legal.
 
243 immediately comes to mind. Low recoil, plenty enough to kill all target species and more, fast, flat, common on shelves, ammo is toward the cheap end, etc, etc, etc, etc

6.5CM is a great option, but as stated its a step up in recoil from 243.
 
Which part of northern are you from? Know the ranges typically for the Virginia area I’d go with a 8 twist Tikka 243win. Since I load I could load some heavy bullets for long ranges but most the shot deer hunting here. The 95gr partition is very adequate.

It’s actually what my wife uses.
In Minnesota realistically the longest shot I will encounter is 100yds, but I am hoping to be able to have this be my western rifle for the next 10+ years until my kids are able to start hunting.
 
In Minnesota realistically the longest shot I will encounter is 100yds, but I am hoping to be able to have this be my western rifle for the next 10+ years until my kids are able to start hunting.
How far will you shoot in the west?

6 arc if it gets it done. If not, then 6 creed or 243.

If you suppress the 6.5, and you want it, that’s a solid choice for you. (The 6 arc ballistics can match closely and the 6 creed beats it, keeping barrel length equal)

When your kids start hunting, buy a compact .223 and they will love shooting it for the day, as opposed to getting beat up by a 6.5 cm.

Everyone needs a .223, lol.😂
 
The 22-250 was also my Grandpas, and then my Fathers, and now mine, I want to leave that one alone.
22-250 is my favorite cartridge, including the ai version. Tikka makes a factory 8 twist that handles 80gr eldms very well which is adequate for everything you’re stating. The downside is you have to reload for them. I love this rifle for getting kids and my wife into long range. I am working a load for the new 88gr tmk which should be and excellent killing round. With a suppressor it has virtually no recoil.

If you don’t reload, a ruger American in 6arc, 22arc, 22cm are also excellent options for the price point.

I’m in southern Mn, if you did go the route of a 1:8 22-250 or .223 I’d be happy to reload for you
 
Only just got legal for 22 cal here and grabbed a tikka 223 (8 twist) and bunch of factory 73 gr Hornady eldm and it stacks em to 550 so far and is that ever an easy button. If we had access to this back when my kids of came of age I prolly wouldn’t have a bunch of Grendels in house but they have been amazing for us in the interim to to 420. Only a coyote so far with the 223 but not a worry at all for the usual suspects to quite a bit further than we actually take the usual suspects. Start there imo, wish we could have in 2017...
 
I'm biased. My favorite rifle to compete with, shoot recreationally, and hunt with is the AR-15 A4 style of rifle in good, old-fashioned 5.56 NATO.

For me, the "what rifle should I start my child off with" is a no-brainer with one correct answer, and it is an AR-15 type of rifle in the "optics ready carbine" style, chambered in 5.56 NATO, and assembled to have a carry weight, sans optic, of 6 to 6.5 pounds.

The OP's daughters might not know it yet, but they agree with me, too. They would a rarity among young ladies if they didn't, in my experience.

How do I know?

When my own daughter expressed a desire to shoot and hunt with a center-fire rifle and had demonstrated she was emotionally mature and responsible enough to handle one, I took her to a local WMA range and let her try my Ruger M-77 RL Ultralight in .250 Savage and my DPMS Oracle in 5.56 NATO. After 10 shots from bench and rest with each, I laid out my shooting mat and had her shoot from standing, sitting, and prone, firing ten shots from each position, with both rifles. After completing this course of fire, I asked her which she liked better.

The AR-15 was the clear winner.

While we were there, there were four other families at the range that day, and two of them took note of what my daughter and I were doing and expressed a wish that they could do the same thing for their daughters. I had four other little girls do the same thing my daughter did.

They all preferred the AR-15, as well.

It isn't an "age thing," either. My step-daughter was 28 when she first came to the U.S.A. to visit. I bought her a non-resident hunting license so she could legally use the WMA range when she got here and, as she was coming on a visa waiver with an Italian passport, she could legally possess and use firearms and ammo here. I did the same thing with her that I did for my biological daughter and my older step-daughter also picked the AR-15 as being more fun to use because it was easier to shot accurately.

I've literally had dozens of pre-teens and teens from 9 to 13 "take the pipsqueak deer rifle challenge" and every single one of them preferred the AR-15 over my Ruger M-77 Ultralight in .250 Savage.

When I bought that Ruger M-77 in 1985, I bought it wanting it to act like a .250 Savage, so I always ran SAAMI pressure handloads in it, which is 45,000 C.U.P. or around 50,000 PSI, while I load my 5.56 NATO at or near full 62,000 P.S.I. pressure. In terms of terminal ballistics and felt recoil, my .250 Savage had a lot more in common with 5.56 NATO than .243 Winchester, so it isn't the "apples to oranges" comparison one might think.

Both the DPMS Oracle I had and the Ruger M-77 RL weighed around 6.5 pounds, sans scope and mounts. I used Leupold Vari-XII c 2-7X scopes on both, too.

Both were also similar in mechanical accuracy, too, being one-minute rifles.

The kids all like the AR better because it fits them better, they feel like they have more control over it, and it is easier to shoot accurately away from a bench and rest.

In other words, kids prefer the AR platform for exact same reason that I do.

In closing, after buying that .250 Savage I had back in 1985, I went on to tag 21 mule deer, 3 pronghorn, 2 caribou, 1 bull elk, and only God knows how many feral pigs with it. That is relevant because the 77 grain TMK 5.56 NATO load I use now shoots flatter, exhibits less wind-drift, and delivers more kinetic energy at the 300 yard line, with higher impact velocity at 300 yards generally resulting in slightly superior wound channel volume. I had used the .223 Remington since 1984 to fill 22 consecutive California A-Zone tags on blacktail deer, which were pint-sized compared to the mule deer I hunted in California, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico. I didn't have the .224" bullets back then that I have now, which allow the 5.56 NATO to deliver the same terminal performance as the .250 Savage out to 300 yards. If I did, I would have used the .223 Remington on mule deer with complete confidence, just as I do now.

Last season, I shot a mule deer though the heart at 268 yards with my AR-15. The 77 gain TMK macerated the heart muscle on a buck that weighed 195 pounds with the guts out and the hide off. The Ruger No.1 B in .300 Weatherby Magnum that I used to have would not have killed that deer any deader than my AR 15 rendered it.

Give a kid a choice between a very light recoiling bolt-action or a virtually non-recoiling AR-15, and the latter will get picked as more fun and easier to use, virtually every time.
 
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