List of Companies Still Sponsoring/Partnering with Convicted Wildlife Violators

[ThorM465]

They're also not trespassing or shooting animals without tags because they're desperate for social media content. I understand what you're saying but this ain't it.

Now a dude killing a deer out of season because his family is starving that's different.

You selectively quoted me. I very specifically said "My rule of thumb is has someone been directly harmed or have they committed an infraction that has the potential to have generational effects." Shooting an animal without a tag and ultimately leading to harvesting more game than is sustainable does have potential generational effects. However, using a tag in the wrong unit, but within season does not have a meaningful long term impact on the health of the herd.

Did you hear this on newsmax..

This is the reddit nonsense that mods have recently mentioned.

 

[average]

You selectively quoted me. I very specifically said "My rule of thumb is has someone been directly harmed or have they committed an infraction that has the potential to have generational effects." Shooting an animal without a tag and ultimately leading to harvesting more game than is sustainable does have potential generational effects. However, using a tag in the wrong unit, but within season does not have a meaningful long term impact on the health of the herd.


This is the reddit nonsense that mods have recently mentioned.

I'd say your rants fall into that category. Post original opinions that stay on topic not nonsensical taking points fed to you by your screen.

 

[fngTony]

Back on topic please

 

[ThorM465]

I'd say your rants fall into that category. Post original opinions that stay on topic not nonsensical taking points fed to you by your screen.

I'm just curious. How many subreddits do you moderate?

Sorry back to on topic. Exactly what is the threshold for someone to fall onto this list. This is all about rule breakers, so obviously we should have clear rules here? I sincerely hope it's not as disappointing as "the state say they bad."

 

[wapitibob]

I'd say your rants fall into that category. Post original opinions that stay on topic not nonsensical taking points fed to you by your screen.

You're new, a little more time on here and you'll learn to ignore him or just skip past the Sovern Citizen type rants when regulations come up.

 

[ThorM465]

You're new, a little more time on here and you'll learn to ignore him or just skip past the Sovern Citizen type rants when regulations come up.

I apologize, I'm not familiar with the term Sovern Citizen. Did you mean Sovereign Citizen? Admittedly, I'm not familiar with that one either. Based on the context, I'm assuming you're referring to anyone who believes the states doesn't have unlimited power, anyone who doesn't believe we should do exactly what the state says because the state says, and anyone who believes the state isn't God and legality doesn't equal morality. Did I miss anything?

 

[Bama67]

I'm so glad I don't know who any of these people are.

 

[Harvey_NW]

I apologize, I'm not familiar with the term Sovern Citizen. Did you mean Sovereign Citizen? Admittedly, I'm not familiar with that one either. Based on the context, I'm assuming you're referring to anyone who believes the states doesn't have unlimited power, anyone who doesn't believe we should do exactly what the state says because the state says, and anyone who believes the state isn't God and legality doesn't equal morality. Did I miss anything?

I bet you're fun at parties.

 

[ThorM465]

I bet you're fun at parties.

Well considering I'm not the one who calls the authorities when the party has 1 to many people at thanksgiving during the covid lockdowns, I'd assume that yes I am.

 

[‘Ike’]

I look at it this way….They got caught, but how many times have they done it before that?

 

[meta_gabbro]

However, using a tag in the wrong unit, but within season does not have a meaningful long term impact on the health of the herd.

This is fundamentally wrong because you can't look at populations across different units as one universal herd. If you take your tag for Unit A that has a population that can support removal of 100 animals and fill it in Unit B which can only support the removal of 10, then you've damaged the herd in Unit B. And this is backed by real world circumstances - there are plenty of units in WA, OR, and ID where there are robust populations with over the counter opportunities, and controlled units with severely limited opportunity in the next unit over. If what you were saying was true, they wouldn't bother with unit designations at all.

 

[ThorM465]

This is fundamentally wrong because you can't look at populations across different units as one universal herd. If you take your tag for Unit A that has a population that can support removal of 100 animals and fill it in Unit B which can only support the removal of 10, then you've damaged the herd in Unit B. And this is backed by real world circumstances - there are plenty of units in WA, OR, and ID where there are robust populations with over the counter opportunities, and controlled units with severely limited opportunity in the next unit over. If what you were saying was true, they wouldn't bother with unit designations at all.

"The state is doing it, so they must have good reasons for it," isn't the winning argument that you think it is.

The idea that there is any meaningful difference in herds a couple hundred yards over an imaginary man made line is absurd. I'm not saying there shouldn't be individual units with unique limits. I'm just asking that we not be delusional over what that means.

 

[wytx]

"The state is doing it, so they must have good reasons for it," isn't the winning argument that you think it is.

The idea that there is any meaningful difference in herds a couple hundred yards over an imaginary man made line is absurd. I'm not saying there shouldn't be individual units with unique limits. I'm just asking that we not be delusional over what that means.

You don't hunt out West much do you? Our herds have distinct migration routes and yes they are sperate herds in many areas. Limits can and do affect populations, with harvest rates for the herds.

 

[meta_gabbro]

"The state is doing it, so they must have good reasons for it," isn't the winning argument that you think it is.

The idea that there is any meaningful difference in herds a couple hundred yards over an imaginary man made line is absurd. I'm not saying there shouldn't be individual units with unique limits. I'm just asking that we not be delusional over what that means.

You've got a habit of assigning hidden meaning to words when there isn't any, don't you?

Oregon Unit 19, McKenzie River Valley, nice lush rainforest with tons of timberland and farmland and a robust population of deer where take is encouraged! Oregon Unit DE-01, Deschute Cascades, alpine basalt mountains and aa fields on the west side and high desert on the east. Pretty sure the animal counts in these areas are significantly different, even a couple hundred yards on either side of the border since the border is the crest of the Cascades, which I'm pretty sure aren't man made.

The people indicated in this thread aren't the ones who are accidentally a couple feet over a line because they didn't check OnX in the last five minutes. They're guys who deliberately hunt outside their units specifically for illicit opportunity. Let's not be delusional over what that means.

 

[IDVortex]

Its crazy that a simple thing like a fence can influence a deers pattern, and cause a disruption in numbers/herd quailty in neighboring units just by a fence. But someone shooting a deer in a wrong unit for them to be in wont.

 

[270-300]

Your a fool if you think people who make family legacy level wealth in one generation do everything on the up and up.

 

[Mike Islander]

So as not to clutter these influencer threads I’d like to see examples of companies that choose to still sponsor or associate with convicted examples.

The list as compiled from the responses below.

Leupold - Alwine
Nightforce - Muley freak
MDT - Alwine
BlackOvis/Camofire - muley freak
Ultraview - Alwine
Peax - Brian call
Ollin - Brian call
MidwayUSA - muley
Sportsman’s - muley
Lancaster Archery - bowmar
Podium Archer - bowmar
Everybody who sells Beast broadheads - bowmar
Stiller Actions - Muley Freak
TS Customs - Muley Freak
Mtntough Fitness Training-Muley Freak
Spartan Precision Equipment- Brian Call

Yes, let's further destroy the hunting industry and decide our group. Write a letter.

 

[dieselchessy]

Yes, let's further destroy the hunting industry and decide our group. Write a letter.

Are you suggesting folks should turn a blind eye to the bad actors and let them continue their nonsense for the greater good of the broader group?