List of Companies Still Sponsoring/Partnering with Convicted Wildlife Violators

[tony]

What do you mean doesn’t get mentioned. I put my own thread up for a year, went on our podcast & It’s still on my Instagram and in my book. I thought the law was you have to be off the road to shoot, didn’t understand both your feet had to be on the ground too. It was my mistake, no ticket issued, because I told the truth. And fish ‘n game only knew about it because I had talked about it openly because I thought that was the law. It was a stupid mistake, but if I thought I was breaking the law, do you think I would’ve talked about it on podcasts and put a chapter about it in my book?

And we’re reviewing this thread right now, if people have accused Aron of poaching with no evidence, you’re making our case why we don’t like these threads…Same thing happened to ElkShape a couple years ago, bunch of people on here accused him of something he hadn’t done. Too easy to sit by the keyboard and throw darts and then hide once the accusations are proved false.

I never heard this
You’re telling me there is a law saying you have to have both feet on the ground to hunt?
What kind of crazy shit is that?

Are there fish cops buried in leaf piles checking to see if both feet are firmly compressing the soil to their likeness?
I respect the DNR and the Ohio guys did an outstanding job in busting that Alexander douche. He was hammered hard.
But it’s stuff like this that makes it hard to understand them.

I work EMS on the side over in Ohio. I picked up the same accident prone DNR guy 3 times. Fell off his barn, cut himself, wrecked his DNR mobile.
Told him I better get free fishing and hunting for life over there.

 

[grfox92]

Where is that squirrel ?!?!?!?!!

Might be the squirrel Snyder allegedly poched!!

**this is a joke. He did not poach a squirrel**

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[IDVortex]

Might be the squirrel Snyder allegedly poched!!

**this is a joke. He did not poach a squirrel**

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You're comment will be taken as fact now though...

 

[IDVortex]

Im actually interested in the list. Be curious. Now, will I quite using certain companies? Yes and no, depends on if I can find a comparable product or not.

To be devil's advocate, and help thor shut this down if he shows up...


But, seriously. Why do we go after a company, say nightforce. Instead of going after dealers of the companies selling their product?

Say rokslide all decided to quit buying nightforce optics because of MFDB, we wouldnt even count for probably .5% of their sales, so were nothing to them. Just trolls. Where as, why dont we go after and try to encourage stores that carry their products to not carry them anymore?

Example near me would be Black Sheep Sporting goods, they would care more about them saying 'hey, we dont support you supporting so and so, either drop them or we're pulling your products from our shelves'.

Yes, im stretching here, ill admit that, but just because we don't support said company, then turn around and buys something from another company, that also sales the same brand, we never really made a impression.

Probably all randomly. Better then installing tyvek.

 

[grfox92]

Im actually interested in the list. Be curious. Now, will I quite using certain companies? Yes and no, depends on if I can find a comparable product or not.

To be devil's advocate, and help thor shut this down if he shows up...


But, seriously. Why do we go after a company, say nightforce. Instead of going after dealers of the companies selling their product?

Say rokslide all decided to quit buying nightforce optics because of MFDB, we wouldnt even count for probably .5% of their sales, so were nothing to them. Just trolls. Where as, why dont we go after and try to encourage stores that carry their products to not carry them anymore?

Example near me would be Black Sheep Sporting goods, they would care more about them saying 'hey, we dont support you supporting so and so, either drop them or we're pulling your products from our shelves'.

Yes, im stretching here, ill admit that, but just because we don't support said company, then turn around and buys something from another company, that also sales the same brand, we never really made a impression.

Probably all randomly. Better then installing tyvek.

I read your whole post and then got to the end and the only thing I could think of is, I really hope you are hanging your tyvek with the writing facing the right direction.

Regarding the rest of your post though. I for a long time would boycott companies who did things that dont align with my values. I stopped buying Nike, for example, wouldn't shop at Target.

I still try to be a conscious consumer, but to be honest, I have 4 kids, horses, two businesses, I hunt a lot, I have plans for more business ventures in the future that I am always working on. My life is busy enough that I can't pour a ton of energy into stuff like this. My brain is busy enough with my basic responsibilities.

I will still always buy things from US companies when I can, and avoid brands that dont align with my values.



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[IDVortex]

I read your whole post and then got to the end and the only thing I could think of is, I really hope you are hanging your tyvek with the writing facing the right direction.

It is in fact, up side down. Only because I chopped the roll in half and couldn't stand seeing the cut edge down. I have to not look at the writing, otherwise it'll bother me.

 

[grfox92]

It is in fact, up side down. Only because I chopped the roll in half and couldn't stand seeing the cut edge down. I have to not look at the writing, otherwise it'll bother me.

I forgive you under these grievances. I wouldn't want the frayed edge down either.

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[wowzers]

Again, Alwine is sponsored because he’s a competitive shooter, not bc he’s a hunter posting content and kills for a living.
Hardly know of the guy, but his case is very easy to state the “why” he still sponsored.

I don’t think it’s fair to say he has nothing to do with hunting. Companies choose to sponsor him with their products in hopes that it drives up their sales, which much is geared towards hunters. It’s not like he’s shooting benchrest matches only.

As an example, what do you think the percentage of MDT’s sales are to non hunters?

Does this picture seem like it’s just geared towards precision shooting?

 

[wowzers]

Im actually interested in the list. Be curious. Now, will I quite using certain companies? Yes and no, depends on if I can find a comparable product or not.

To be devil's advocate, and help thor shut this down if he shows up...


But, seriously. Why do we go after a company, say nightforce. Instead of going after dealers of the companies selling their product?

Say rokslide all decided to quit buying nightforce optics because of MFDB, we wouldnt even count for probably .5% of their sales, so were nothing to them. Just trolls. Where as, why dont we go after and try to encourage stores that carry their products to not carry them anymore?

Example near me would be Black Sheep Sporting goods, they would care more about them saying 'hey, we dont support you supporting so and so, either drop them or we're pulling your products from our shelves'.

Yes, im stretching here, ill admit that, but just because we don't support said company, then turn around and buys something from another company, that also sales the same brand, we never really made a impression.

Probably all randomly. Better than installing tyvek.

Because it boils down to dollars. Just look at the response I got from several folks because it turns out a lot of these companies are sponsors here. Unless Blacksheep etc is going to see a profit loss they probably aren’t going to change and currently what we’re seeing from these”prohunters” isn’t enough to tip the scales.

ETA: That’s why like Gobbler mentioned I think the folks found guilty while doing it to turn a buck need lifetime bans from hunting.

 

[Reburn]

Because it boils down to dollars. Just look at the response I got from several folks because it turns out a lot of these companies are sponsors here. Unless Blacksheep etc is going to see a profit loss they probably aren’t going to change and currently what we’re seeing from these”prohunters” isn’t enough to tip the scales.

Many times their are contracts involved that arent easily broken.

 

[wowzers]

Many times their are contracts involved that arent easily broken.

Are you speaking to the retailers or the companies sponsoring?

 

[Reburn]

Are you speaking to the retailers or the companies sponsoring?

Can be both.

Its not always as simple as cutting ties with someone because you want to. Breaking contracts can have serious consequences.

 

[IDVortex]

Can be both.

Its not always as simple as cutting ties with someone because you want to. Breaking contracts can have serious consequences.

Ive actually wondered if this is why some companies havent broken ties with folks before.

 

[wowzers]

Can be both.

It’s not always as simple as cutting ties with someone because you want to. Breaking contracts can have serious consequences.

Ive actually wondered if this is why some companies havent broken ties with folks before.

I’m obviously not a sponsored hunter but I find it hard to believe a company with $160M annual revenue is signing contracts that don’t give them an out when the other party breaks the law and cast them in a negative light potentially affecting that revenue.

The retailer I could see being on the hook for x amount of products.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

Another one of these threads…

Yawn…

Let me get back to shopping for a Nightforce…

 

[JeffRaines]

I look at poachers two different ways.

You’ve got guys who make honest mistakes… maybe they shoot a buck that’s only 2pt in a 3pt+ unit because it looked like there was an extra point through glass and it was a quick shot… or some other honest mistake.

It happens. They didn’t mean to do it, and so long as they do the right thing all is well.

Then you’ve got guys who knowingly poach. They know they’re out of a permit boundary but shoot a bull anyway. They know they’re on private. They know the season doesn’t start until next week.

The latter are irredeemable. The only thing getting caught is teaching them is how to better cover their tracks. They’re not going to stop - they’re going to figure out how they got caught, and then try their best to mitigate it in the future.

I think poaching with intent should be a felony. Trying to hit poachers with hunting bans isn’t gonna work because they’re already breaking the law. Felony means they lose their firearm rights and it would have a larger impact.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

I look at poachers two different ways.

You’ve got guys who make honest mistakes… maybe they shoot a buck that’s only 2pt in a 3pt+ unit because it looked like there was an extra point through glass and it was a quick shot… or some other honest mistake.

It happens. They didn’t mean to do it, and so long as they do the right thing all is well.

Then you’ve got guys who knowingly poach. They know they’re out of a permit boundary but shoot a bull anyway. They know they’re on private. They know the season doesn’t start until next week.

The latter are irredeemable. The only thing getting caught is teaching them is how to better cover their tracks. They’re not going to stop - they’re going to figure out how they got caught, and then try their best to mitigate it in the future.

I think poaching with intent should be a felony. Trying to hit poachers with hunting bans isn’t gonna work because they’re already breaking the law. Felony means they lose their firearm rights and it would have a larger impact.

Spot on.

 

[Thebigbaby]

Aron has never been busted for anything that I'm aware of just people talking crap. Grey light does the best job of scrubbing all of his stuff and threatening to sue you if you post it. There is another one that doesn't ever get mentioned on here but not sure where on the poaching list shooting a buck from a truck and having it confiscated falls

 

[wowzers]

I look at poachers two different ways.

You’ve got guys who make honest mistakes… maybe they shoot a buck that’s only 2pt in a 3pt+ unit because it looked like there was an extra point through glass and it was a quick shot… or some other honest mistake.

It happens. They didn’t mean to do it, and so long as they do the right thing all is well.

Then you’ve got guys who knowingly poach. They know they’re out of a permit boundary but shoot a bull anyway. They know they’re on private. They know the season doesn’t start until next week.

The latter are irredeemable. The only thing getting caught is teaching them is how to better cover their tracks. They’re not going to stop - they’re going to figure out how they got caught, and then try their best to mitigate it in the future.

I think poaching with intent should be a felony. Trying to hit poachers with hunting bans isn’t gonna work because they’re already breaking the law. Felony means they lose their firearm rights and it would have a larger impact.

Ten ring!

 

[OMB]

I look at poachers two different ways.

You’ve got guys who make honest mistakes… maybe they shoot a buck that’s only 2pt in a 3pt+ unit because it looked like there was an extra point through glass and it was a quick shot… or some other honest mistake.

It happens. They didn’t mean to do it, and so long as they do the right thing all is well.

Then you’ve got guys who knowingly poach. They know they’re out of a permit boundary but shoot a bull anyway. They know they’re on private. They know the season doesn’t start until next week.

The latter are irredeemable. The only thing getting caught is teaching them is how to better cover their tracks. They’re not going to stop - they’re going to figure out how they got caught, and then try their best to mitigate it in the future.

I think poaching with intent should be a felony. Trying to hit poachers with hunting bans isn’t gonna work because they’re already breaking the law. Felony means they lose their firearm rights and it would have a larger impact.

The biggest thing that I'm confused by is that we have the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact, which in theory should cause violators to lose hunting rights in almost every state during that period. Obviously there's ways around it like hunting internationally, but lately it seems like there's a lot of influencers that get a carve out in their plea bargains.

Josh Bowmar saying a Lacey Act violation was like a speeding ticket was actually sort of right, but not in the way that he meant it. Government prosecutors basically treat extreme game violations that would make all of us blush like they're essentially a traffic ticket. Let the person plea down, pay a fine, and be on their way.

On the flip side- you can hit them with a felony, but they can still bow hunt, and in many states muzzleloader hunt. I've been deeply suspicious of the big push to add high powered air rifles to the roster of weapons in many states because it just feels like another work around to sell products to people who would otherwise be disqualified.