Lead-Free rules coming to Idaho?

[Idaboy]

My broadheads are steel

 

[Wagondriver]

Ok....but what is the real financial impact. I make my own ammo. Barnes bullets are $50-$70 for 50. Bergers are no cheaper.

Factory lead free are very obtainable. I see almost 0 financial impact to the hunter.

Ok, how about you go price some 405 Winchseter bullets, or 348, or 375.

Cast lead bullet work great in those rounds, with the cost being maybe 10 to 12 cents each.

 

[826]

Ok, how about you go price some 405 Winchseter bullets, or 348, or 375.

Cast lead bullet work great in those rounds, with the cost being maybe 10 to 12 cents each.

How many people would you estimate hunt in Idaho each year using one of those Calibers?

5?

 

[Wagondriver]

How many people would you estimate hunt in Idaho each year using one of those Calibers?

A whole lot more than you think. Muzzleloaders use lead projectiles. Lots of people hunt the short range weapon season, probably lots there too. But even if it is only a small number, it makes those people pay a shitload vs nearly nothing. In some cases there are no non-lead bullets available so they couldn't even use that gun anymore.

But hey, let's throw one group of hunters under the bus for the sake of some lefty environmentalist's desire to eliminate lead.

I've hunted almost every species in the lower 48, the only ones I have not taken are blacktail and desert bighorn. I have never fired, and certainly have never hunted with a non-lead projectile. I am not one to violate game laws, but non-lead bullets is one I wouldn't bother to adhere to.

 

[826]

A whole lot more than you think. Muzzleloaders use lead projectiles. Lots of people hunt the short range weapon season, probably lots there too. But even if it is only a small number, it makes those people pay a shitload vs nearly nothing. In some cases there are no non-lead bullets available so they couldn't even use that gun anymore.

But hey, let's throw one group of hunters under the bus for the sake of some lefty environmentalist's desire to eliminate lead.

I've hunted almost every species in the lower 48, the only ones I have not taken are blacktail and desert bighorn. I have never fired, and certainly have never hunted with a non-lead projectile. I am not one to violate game laws, but non-lead bullets is one I wouldn't bother to adhere to.

I get it now, it's a political thing.

That makes a lot more sense than not wanting it because someone can only afford to hunt if they can shoot a round that costs $.10 or .$12 because that's honestly a pretty ridiculous argument.

 

[Brap01]

I get it now, it's a political thing.

That makes a lot more sense than not wanting it because someone can only afford to hunt if they can shoot a round that costs $.10 or .$12 because that's honestly a pretty ridiculous argument.

Cost per bullet matters to me. I like to practice, that gets expensive when you're slinging monos

 

[Wagondriver]

Pretty clear to me that 826 is a troll. Joined here, first two posts are to tell us why lead bullets are bad. But also appears to not know the difference between a bullet and a round. Lefty that thinks all things lead are bad, and wants to control things that they know nothing about and do not affect them.

The difference in cost per round of lead vs non-lead is probably about a $1 per round. By the time you work up a load, get the rifle sighted and get some good practice with it, its probably 25 to 40 rounds. Can I afford the $40, sure. But, why should I have to spend the extra 40 to solve some problem that doesn't exist.

These are probably the same people trying to ban my airplane fuel, 100 LOW LEAD. There was a study that found it was a non-issue, so the lefties lied about the results of the study.

 

[826]

Pretty clear to me that 826 is a troll. Joined here, first two posts are to tell us why lead bullets are bad. But also appears to not know the difference between a bullet and a round. Lefty that thinks all things lead are bad, and wants to control things that they know nothing about and do not affect them.

The difference in cost per round of lead vs non-lead is probably about a $1 per round. By the time you work up a load, get the rifle sighted and get some good practice with it, its probably 25 to 40 rounds. Can I afford the $40, sure. But, why should I have to spend the extra 40 to solve some problem that doesn't exist.

These are probably the same people trying to ban my airplane fuel, 100 LOW LEAD. There was a study that found it was a non-issue, so the lefties lied about the results of the study.

You shouldn’t let politics run your life so much.

You also shouldn’t make so many clueless assumptions just because someone hurt your little feelings by not agreeing.

The irony of you calling me a troll when you go to politics in every post is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Cherokeeguide]

I get it now, it's a political thing.

That makes a lot more sense than not wanting it because someone can only afford to hunt if they can shoot a round that costs $.10 or .$12 because that's honestly a pretty ridiculous argument.

It was certainly a "political thing" in California.

 

[Curtiss.Moses]

I hope this is not true. Would hate to follow the states that have done this

 

[Cherokeeguide]

These are probably the same people trying to ban my airplane fuel, 100 LOW LEAD. There was a study that found it was a non-issue, so the lefties lied about the results of the study.

Where the ban on lead ammo for hunting in California is concerned, there is no "probably" about it; the same leftist groups wanting to ban your AvGas were behind the law to ban hunting with lead bullets.

 

[Wagondriver]

You shouldn’t let politics run your life so much.

You also shouldn’t make so many clueless assumptions just because someone hurt your little feelings by not agreeing.

The irony of you calling me a troll when you go to politics in every post is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.

Written like a true troll/ liberal.

Hunters like you, if you are a hunter, are the problem these days. Willing to throw someone else under the bus because they like to shoot different guns than you, use different ammo than you, or hunt some way other than how you hunt.

Again, I say TROLL. 5 whole posts, only commenting on banning lead bullets. TROLL!

 

[Cherokeeguide]

What is the down side of non lead ammo?

What is the huge opposition?

Downsides to lead-free rifle and pistol ammo:

1) Some firearms don't shoot lead-free, mono-metal bullets well
2) Lead-free, mono-metal bullets require relatively high impact velocity for reliable expansion; some cartridges, including many still in common use, don't have a muzzle velocity high enough to translate to sufficient impact velocity at useful range
3) The .22 LR has a SAAMI peak pressure of 20,000 PSI but is typically loaded to 6,000 to 8,000 PSI. That's not enough pressure to cause a lead-free mono-metal bullet to obturate sufficiently for an effective gas seal with the bore. Furthermore, the .22 LR was designed to fire "heeled" bullets, further complicating achieving effective performance with lead-free bullets.

Downsides to lead-free shot shells

1) Some shotguns, like my inherited A y A No.2 sidelock in 28 gauge, cannot safely use steel shot.

2) It takes larger diameter steel shot, and more of it, to do the same job I can do just fine with 3/4 oz. of lead from my 28 gauge guns.

3) If I were to take my kids on a weekend dove hunt around Palo Verde, CA, I would need to spend $579.98 + Tax to have enough Kent Bismuth 28 gauge shells to get through shooting Friday evening, all day Saturday, and Sunday morning. Multiply that by four trips, and the ammo cost to cover them is $2,319.92 + Tax.

To the advocate of tyranny, a Legislative non-toxic ammo mandate is a kind of orgasmic wet dream. Telling them that such mandates essentially slam the door on small game hunting with .22 LR or dove hunting with shotguns isn't telling them what they don't already know, but validating that what they're hoping for will actually happen. Organized tyranny believes that attacking what they call "gun culture" in this way will render opposition to their aims largely moot in a generation or two. The beauty in this scheme is that they're regulating a privilege with non-toxic ammo mandates for hunting and can't be blamed for infringing on a right.

If you personally believe that eating game shot with metallic lead will harm or kill you, you're free to indulge your fantasy and shoot unleaded mono-metal projectiles, but I'd rather not have you or the government nanny me out of whacking quail with 3/4 ounce No,8 lead-shot loads from my A y A No. 2 in 28 gauge, or keep me from hunting rabbits with a .22 LR Hammerli H1 pistol firing heeled lead bullets.

 

[Beendare]

Idaho hunters can stop this if they ban together, get involved and get loud.

If they sit back and don't get involved...they will get steamrolled by it.....

 

[BigNate]

There was a study done in ND sampling over 700 people from which they "determined " that lead is being introduced onto the blood stream. HOWEVER, they ignored the majority of the data showing the difference between most participants was negligible, and had no way to prove the lead contamination was actually from lead ammunition. (Outdoor life carried the article)
Another situation where bias determines outcome.

 

[Cherokeeguide]

Idaho hunters can stop this if they ban together, get involved and get loud.

If they sit back and don't get involved...they will get steamrolled by it.....

I hope they have more success than we did in California.

 

[RockAndSage]

Telling them that such mandates essentially slam the door on small game hunting with .22 LR or dove hunting with shotguns isn't telling them what they don't already know, but validating that what they're hoping for will actually happen. Organized tyranny believes that attacking what they call "gun culture" in this way will render opposition to their aims largely moot in a generation or two. The beauty in this scheme is that they're regulating a privilege with non-toxic ammo mandates for hunting and can't be blamed for infringing on a right.

^^^ Absolutely nailed it.