Lead-Free rules coming to Idaho?

[wowzers]

The Nez Perce tribe has been pushing this for a while and this survey was based on one of their previous surveys.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

What is the down side of non lead ammo?

What is the huge opposition?

 

[North of 60]

A general observation regarding data published by academics and some nonprofits that may apply here:

A fair amount of my work in the job i had before retiring involved consulting for academics wanting to publish based on state-level data, wrangling independent evaluations by universities, and advising on policy at the state level, and some at the national level.

What i observed and battled was academics are commonly biased from whatever premise they are starting from, and they look for (and manipulate) data to support the outcome they want to see happen with policy, or to get published. Decision makers use that information.

It is frightening to me how much influence academics have on policy in this country.

 

[HunterGatherer]

What is the down side of non lead ammo?

What is the huge opposition?

It’s probably better if you just search this site or use an AI to give you the pros and cons. Otherwise, it will completely derail this thread

 

[packgoatguy]

What is the down side of non lead ammo?

What is the huge opposition?

There is no downside to have the option to use lead-free bullets... and if you want to use them, more power to you.

It's when the state forces me to use them by banning all alternatives that I take issue with.

As for the benefits of ammo that contains lead... (like lead covered in a copper jacket... think hornady eldx, eldm, berger eol, vld, Sierra TMK) I would have to mostly defer to smarter folks than I for those details (like @Formidilosus).

But for me, it comes down to having bullets that create larger wound channels at lower impact velocities with smaller calibers... when compared to the alternative lead-free options. Likewise, the highest BC bullets available for hunters contain lead... which means additional drop and wind drift for the lead-free alternatives (all else being equal). In the end, I'm able to do more with less (less recoil mostly) to achieve the same results, and that helps me and my kids be better shooters to begin with.

I'll add that there has been plenty of debate on this in other threads if you are interested (I believe its discussed at length in the "223 for Bear, Elk, Deer" thread and threads considering the efficacy of 6mm and 6.5mm bullet offerings.

 

[HunterGatherer]

There is no downside to have the option to use lead-free bullets... and if you want to use them, more power to you.

It's when the state forces me to use them by banning all alternatives that I take issue with.

I agree with this. I’m a solid copper shooter and the way I hunt, there is no downside. I actually see more downsides to lead. I would like to see non-lead bullet use become more common BUT I think trying to promote its use by mandating it and outlawing lead actually causes way more resistance to people using it. People, myself included, do not like to be told what to do. As soon as you try to tell someone they may not be able to shoot lead, the pushback is enormous.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

Up until this year your bullet had to be solid lead for muzzleloader hunting in Idaho.


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[rclouse79]

After going from copper back to lead and finding a load that shoots light out, I would just keep another magazine of copper bullets in my pocket and pay the fine if I got caught.