Largest Private Western Land Owners Controlling Huge Amounts Of Public Land

[Slickhill]

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[MtnW]

These large mega ranches suck up much of the game , especially elk from the public land once the hunting seasons start. The 1,100,000 acre Deseret ranch in Utah is doing cull killings on cow elk. Most don’t know about this. These cow elk cull kills are not being allowed by hunters with unfilled tags . The cull kills are being done by private contractors, some professional hired and paid for by the Deseret Ranch.

Why should some of these billionaires be allowed to control the publics wildlife for personal gain? These greedy landowners in most cases have 20% ++ of their land holdings in public land . So many here agree that a rancher (use that term loosely, more like a land baron) that can afford to purchase multiple 400,000 acres of land should be granted another 100,000 acres of public land locked to their already massive holdings? It’s okay to control 100,000’s of prime public wildlife acres , for these mega rich for their own personal gain and hunting empires?

Many of these mega ranches are creating issues with the management of the public’s wildlife since the elk gather and hole up on these properties where they are not allowed to be killed . Research it, most game departments are not making these issues public but it has become a major wildlife management issue.

 

[omicron1792]

These large mega ranches suck up much of the game , especially elk from the public land once the hunting seasons start. The 1,100,000 acre Deseret ranch in Utah is doing cull killings on cow elk. Most don’t know about this. These cow elk cull kills are not being allowed by hunters with unfilled tags . The cull kills are being done by private contractors, some professional hired and paid for by the Deseret Ranch.

Why should some of these billionaires be allowed to control the publics wildlife for personal gain? These greedy landowners in most cases have 20% ++ of their land holdings in public land . So many here agree that a rancher (use that term loosely, more like a land baron) that can afford to purchase multiple 400,000 acres of land should be granted another 100,000 acres of public land locked to their already massive holdings? It’s okay to control 100,000’s of prime public wildlife acres , for these mega rich for their own personal gain and hunting empires?

Many of these mega ranches are creating issues with the management of the public’s wildlife since the elk gather and hole up on these properties where they are not allowed to be killed . Research it, most game departments are not making these issues public but it has become a major wildlife management issue.

Elk going from overhunted public to private is weird in some way?

 

[RockAndSage]

Elk going from overhunted public to private is weird in some way?

It's only weird if you're a marxist - they didn't understand overhunted citizens of public-owned East Germany wanting to escape to the safety of private property either.

 

[Weldor]

Do we really have any options?

 

[Snyd]

I agree! It’s very frustrating when our public lands are landlocked and not huntable. I can’t wait until we have “hunting drones” that we can use to fly in over their land and land hunters and their gear on the public lands. Boy, I bet the land owners would be PISSED .

We call 'em SuperCubs here in Alaska!

 

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[jmez]

Once again, the landowners are not preventing access to public land. They are preventing access on their private land. As Americans they are legally entitled to prevent access to their private property. By default you can't enter the public land. Not their fault or their problem. It is a Federal Government issue.

 

[wapitibob]

Once again, the landowners are not preventing access to public land. They are preventing access on their private land. As Americans they are legally entitled to prevent access to their private property. By default you can't enter the public land. Not their fault or their problem. It is a Federal Government issue.

Absolutely spot on.

I hate to use the term, but it seems fitting in this thread, some "liberals" think others should be compelled, thru intimidation or legislation, to share what they have, with those who made different life choices and ended up without. The mental gymnastics they go thru to try and explain why someone should give up their private property rights while also trying to say they support those private rights, is really something.

 

[yfarm]

A former Iowa senator Tom Harkin repeatedly tried to tie public access to CRP land as a condition to participation in the program, never went anywhere as wiser heads knew that would end participation in the program. The deer born and raised on that CRP land, fed on the adjacent cornfields know no boundaries and go where they want to the benefit of hunters. Come to Texas and see the other side of the equation with high fenced properties and managed herds, true commercial hunting for antlers.

 

[HornPorn]

Absolutely spot on.

I hate to use the term, but it seems fitting in this thread, some "liberals" think others should be compelled, thru intimidation or legislation, to share what they have, with those who made different life choices and ended up without. The mental gymnastics they go thru to try and explain why someone should give up their private property rights while also trying to say they support those private rights, is really something.

Yep, it's the "haves and have nots". The very first post was clearly a grab your pitchforks, let's name names, etc. Reeks of jealousy and entitlement. Typical liberal, class warfare BS that is slowly ruining this country.

 

[Poser]

Absolutely spot on.

I hate to use the term, but it seems fitting in this thread, some "liberals" think others should be compelled, thru intimidation or legislation, to share what they have, with those who made different life choices and ended up without. The mental gymnastics they go thru to try and explain why someone should give up their private property rights while also trying to say they support those private rights, is really something.

Oh, I love these arguments. I really do. Its so easy to show the absurdity of them by merely inverting the (attempt at) logic:

I hate to use the term, but it seems fitting in this thread, some 'land barons' (and their subsequent bootlickers) think the public should be compelled, thru intimidation or lawsuits, to forfeit access to the land they collectively own, just to benefit those who bought the perimeter and believe they are entitled to the middle. The mental gymnastics they go thru to try and explain why they have the right to treat public property as their own private backyard, while simultaneously relying on the government to validate the deed that put them there in the first place, is really something.

 

[IdahoBeav]

Oh, I love these arguments. I really do. Its so easy to show the absurdity of them by merely inverting the (attempt at) logic:

I hate to use the term, but it seems fitting in this thread, some 'land barons' (and their subsequent bootlickers) think the public should be compelled, thru intimidation or lawsuits, to forfeit access to the land they collectively own, just to benefit those who bought the perimeter and believe they are entitled to the middle. The mental gymnastics they go thru to try and explain why they have the right to treat public property as their own private backyard, while simultaneously relying on the government to validate the deed that put them there in the first place, is really something.

The only thing you show with this is that the government should not own landlocked parcels.

 

[AHayes111]

These land locked parcels of land came about two different ways. When the Government gave away land to the railroads as an incentive for the railroads to build rail lines across the west. Sadly they gave away the land in a checker board pattern and didn't retain an easement the checker board sections the government kept.
With the passage of the homestead act in the 1860's. homesteaders flooded west and as long as they could prove up on the 160 acres they claimed the Government deeded the land to them. When the homestead act was repealed in the 1930's the land that was still unclaimed became BLM. Again the government failed to retain an easement the unclaimed land. So yes this is the governments fault for not retaining an easement to Government land. Complaints should be directed at the congress men and senators that did this. Too bad they are all dead.
Good news for the general public is Corner crossing is going to give access to most of the land in the Checker board created by the Rail Road incentives and you can still access the other land by flying in. May cost more than you want to pay, but that cost is going to come down and likely quicker then many think.

 

[jmez]

You can access by air but I believe it is illegal to land aircraft anywhere other than a dedicated runway. Have to be dropped and get into a helicopter that is hovering but not touching the ground.

 

[gbflyer]

You can access by air but I believe it is illegal to land aircraft anywhere other than a dedicated runway. Have to be dropped and get into a helicopter that is hovering but not touching the ground.

Most BLM is ok. USFS is at the District Ranger’s discretion. States make up their own rules. It’s best to check with the regional people at higher levels of management, not the LE or the public information folks. Or beg forgiveness.

 

[jmez]

If the states make up their own rules they will just make it illegal.